Researched this fairly well now and while im impressed with the viewability of the powervision and how its a flash unit, I still cant help but feel that an se product with a good dyno tune by an experienced harley tech is the way to go. Tech at the dealership where I like to go can install and dyno tune it ( can do it very well in two hours he says ) for 590$. The tuner being 460$ of that number.
He also said he has never worked with the powervision but said he could research it, figure it out, and dyno tune it as well.
Am I right to understand that the super tuner should be my logical choice here? Has anyone ever had issues with an se tuner with dyno tune? I dont expect that the powervision has been around long enough to have problems.
Would love to hear input and opinions from the voices of experience. Thanx guys.

 

In the right hands, just about any tuner can give you good results. The power vision gives you a gauge panel, if you like that kind of accessory. The SE Pro gives the tuner more adjustments and options, as well as better data, the TTS kit even more and more straightforward. Just how much difference it makes is arguable. But its best to go with what your pro wants to use, as the more experience the tuner has with a tuner, the better the results. The only SE tuner issues have been with competence of the pro, some pros don't like the extra effort, but it doesn't stop them from doing a good job..

Some shops just want to do a quick tune and move bikes through, where the better pros will spend several hours getting the bike just right... the differences are subtle but satisfying.

 

I'm in the same boat, can't decide between the PV, SERT, and TTS, I'm leaning more toward the TTS, but I'm here in TX, and Ive been trying to find a competent pro, and go from there, spoke with th local dealership and all they know is SERT. I may have to take a drive...

 

Tts with auto tune starts out at like 900 bucks, throw a dyno tune on that and you're over a thousand. Im not afraid to spend a little more money on quality products, but thats a little over the top I believe.
Think I may just pull the trigger on the pro tuner and quit screwin around with it. The gauge on the bars really dosent mean alot to me and I think the se is just a more proven product, especially on a dyno tuners table.
Anyone know where a guy can order a pro tuner thats cheaper than the 460$ that the dealer is sellin em for?

 

TTS retails for $425. Way better tha the SESPT. It's the $130 dyno tune I'd be afraid of.

 

I was going to mention the $130 dyno tune, but wanted to stay positive.... holiday season and all.

 

Whats most important if you are having someone else do the work is what are they most competent with using? All of the "Flash" Tuners can provide the same results in experienced hands. Find a good tuner and use the product he is best with using.

Ive had the SERT, PCIII , Fuel Pak , PC V and now Power Vision.

With the Fuel Moto support Im happy with my results and with the PV Im going to try some data logging and self tune to see if it will gain any more. I dont want to pay for a Dyno if Im happy with the way my bike runs.

To the OP, If your mechanic is going to Dyno your bike for $ 130 I doubt if your tune will be any better than most of the canned maps out there. Thats only a little over an hr shop time and hes probably loading a canned map and maybe a couple of self tune runs. All of the good Dyno guys out here take 2.5 -5 hr to dial in a bike and the cost is more like $ 400.00 +-

SEPST are easily available on line E Bay new in box from dealers for under $ 400

heres one from today http://www.ebay.com/itm/HD-Harley-Sc...#ht_918wt_1010

 

I wondered the same about the price I was quoted but this dealership service shop has a very good reputation and all the others in ks. are a joke. theres a place that is a dynojet specialist shop endorsed by dynojet and the whole 9 yards. When I talked to them they had never even heard of the powervision (last week by the way), nor did they know the pcv had an available auto tune, even tried to argue with me about it ha ha. Their credibility is blown totally out of the water.
And im pretty sure ive seen a $900 price tag on the mastertune with auto tune, alot less without the auto tune. Maybe im wrong and need to look farther into it.
Ive got a month to decide (fat christmas bonus time) and all the input is definitely appreciated. Part of me wants to go with a pv from fuel moto but im sure i will wonder about the dyno potential and nobody works with this product that I can find. And even if I could im much more sold on screamin eagle products being more combatible with harleys.
One thing im sure of is that I miss carbs. Jet kit and a six pack and ill have er licked in an afternoon. Not as much potential but definitely simpler for a a guy like me.
If anyone knows of a good dyno place in kansas please chime in and ill check em out.

 

In my book, the PowerVision has the clear advantage. Add the wideband option and it is not even close. Keep in mind that the dealers primary goal is cashing your check.

Beast

 

Just a note to the OP that this is an opinion that has been discredited in several of the more technical forums, although somewhat popular in this forum. I'm sure the OP will do more than reading the marketing literature and check in on some of the other forums for the wide variety of opinions and marketing FUD to find a few gems of facts here and there.

In the right hands just about any tuner can be used to provide decent riding satisfaction. The definition of the best tune differs from rider to rider. If you want the best tune, whether it is performance, reliability, value, drivability, or EPA compliance, there is quite a bit a discussion because there is just not one device that is best for everyone and the differences are much more subtle. For example, you can’t beat what a competent tuner using a TTS tuning kit can provide. But you may not like the one/two bike restriction. You can certainly save some bucks and get ~close and tune yourself, but don’t like to use software or a laptop. Perhaps you don’t want to tinker with the tune every time you change a muffler or cam, so investing a lot of cash in a broadband sensor self tuning system and accepting its compromises may be for you. (even the best broad band systems could use some tinkering for best results, however)

There is nothing like using a dyno to run the bike through a wide range of operating condition and adjust AFR and timing to the max torque and HP values for each condition, and then directly setting up the numerous other parameters for good drivability… but you will be spending more than a couple hours on the dyno. Would you notice the difference? Many have said it is significant, others not so much as it is subjective on the street. I dunno. The next question is it worth more than $1000… I dunno… so if the arguably best tune is not worth the $$$ to you, you have to compromise. Life is a compromise. How will you know what will you be satisfied with if is so subjective? You trust other opinions and experiences I guess.

Think about getting a good tool for your tool box (perhaps spend the $400-$500 entry fee) and then learn how to use it. HDs are made to tinker with; it is part of the culture.

You will find satisfied customers of just about any name brand tuning device out there. Some of these customers may have never ridden a well tuned bike, so they wouldn’t know what is missing, but the bike runs significantly better than stock, just don’t care as the best is the worse enimy of good enough... and just ride with smiles.

No right answers, lots of advice based on opinions.