I think his point is the same as mine. Not ALL M8 's seem to be suffering from the migration issue. Or other issues for that matter.

Not sure why, but I guess some have been lucky. That's not to say I won't experience it sometime in the future with this bike. I hope not.

But I agree with hooch, it's way too much money to spend on a gamble that you get a good harley that you can ride trouble free. They should know how to build trouble free bikes by now, and when they do have a bug, stand by them and fix the issues. Instead, it seems they lie, scheme, and try everything to NOT acknowledge any issue at all.

 

Yep, the problem is common knowledge.


It's the cause of the problem that's unknown. Until the cause is known I find it hard to believe that anyone can say that ALL the engines MUST have the defect and only some of them show the symptoms.


It's equally possible that bad batches of supplier parts got to the assembly lines. Or that metal parts have worn down at rates different than what was projected by assembly line engineers - causing improper assembly of some of the engines. Or that human error caused the issues on some engines but not all. Or even that CNC machine programming has bugs that show up on every hundred and seventh iteration - causing one out of every one hundred and seven engines to have a problem.


My point is that without knowing really what's causing the fluid migration you can't say "seems to me that all the engines have the defect and only some of them show the symptoms."

 

I know that the oil migration is a defect and that the affected bikes come from the factory with it = factory design defect.

Pretty simple.

 

How do you know that:


"it seems to me that all of the bikes must have the same built-in defects from the factory"


is true?


What if only some of them have defects and only some of those show symptoms?


What if only some of them have defects but all of the ones with defects show symptoms?


What if only 12 of them have defects and only ten of those show defects?


What if only twenty of them have defects and seventy five thousand show symptoms?


Try a little reading comprehension and clear communication jpooch

 

He won't RJ, man he's just here to bag them out, he brings nothing of value .

 

Is it a different engine that is made for the Softails ? It appears that the Softails are immune to this problem.

 

I haven't heard of a Softy with sumping or oil migration man.

 

What if it's the rider's fault.

What if the earth's flat?

What if men never actually went to the moon?

What if the President's an alien from outer space?

Just thought I'd give ya a few more ridiculous "what iff's" to contemplate.

Seems like you're into that.

Enjoy.

 

jpooch - just so I'm clear here - you're saying that without any doubt in the world every single 2017 model year M8 has the transmission fluid migration defect?

Is that what you're claiming?

 

There are to variations.
one is water cooled. Nothing new.
other is oil cooled. Big ****in deal.
Not religiously keepin track, but either the tour line or softail line is either or. But one of these due to cooling systems involved, IS HAVING THE MIGRATION OIL ISSUE!
Dffferent parts between ther water and oil cooled sysyem