Intermittent Sumping 2018 Road King
#11
09-06-2018, 12:05 PM
Road Captain
Some good advice above. I would be pissed too. No reason a man pays 20plus grand for a touring bike and cant ride the damn thing. I would video it like said above. If that didnt work i would ride the **** out if it and takr it to them when it was doing it. If all if that failed to get a fix i would red line it till it blew then tell them to fix it...i would also be wanting a new motor after i proved to them it was doing it because it done it multiple times before they actually fixed it and damage is already done. Freakin sucks.
#12
09-06-2018, 12:10 PM
Road Captain
sucks big time, but why do you keep taking it on trips? that's crazy...doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
"15 times in 3 months this bike has stranded me on the side of the road"
"Sometimes it keeps doing it until the bike rests for an hour or 2. Meanwhile, I'm stuck on the side of the road."
"Every time I take a trip about 2 hours into it I am stranded"
"This happens over and over."
"15 times in 3 months this bike has stranded me on the side of the road"
"Sometimes it keeps doing it until the bike rests for an hour or 2. Meanwhile, I'm stuck on the side of the road."
"Every time I take a trip about 2 hours into it I am stranded"
"This happens over and over."
Last edited by hollandhunter; 09-06-2018 at 12:12 PM.
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Campy Roadie (09-17-2018)
#13
09-06-2018, 12:16 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
I have to kindly disagree with you on this one mj. The dude has tried to get harley to fix it. Its not his fault he spent 20k on a harley and it wont run and cant seem to get a dealer to fix it. What is he suppose to do just not ride at all cause he got a bike that sumped? Heck no. If they wont fix it ride it till it blows. Yoi and i are lucky. Ours dont sump and actually mine runs prettu good knock on wood so far. But imagine if one or both of your bikes sumped and you couldnt get multiple dealers to fix it leaving you stranded. You would be ill youself. I just have compassion for those thst are going through this because i have been down that road on bikes and trucks before it sucks.
edit: with that being said, after the 4th documented dealer visit (or maybe 2nd or 3rd) I would have called the HD Customer Service department (instead of writing a letter) as instructed in the Warranty portion of the OM, to first go through the proper channels with dealerships to no avail, and opened a Case # with a rep on the line, which they in turn formally and quickly communicate to the dealership it's been assigned (I have experienced this). Depending on the results I would probably say eff em', take it out on a safe road during their business hours and melt it down, call them and say come and get it, it is now really your problem.
Last edited by mjwebb; 09-06-2018 at 12:45 PM.
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stixvrad (09-10-2018)
#14
09-06-2018, 03:57 PM
Road Captain
well you and the OP are much more tolerant to misery than I would be..i mean in 3 months time the number of times I'd be willing to sit on the side of the road for an hour or 2 just to go for a ride, realizing I'd probably get stranded once again, would have been far less than 15
edit: with that being said, after the 4th documented dealer visit (or maybe 2nd or 3rd) I would have called the HD Customer Service department (instead of writing a letter) as instructed in the Warranty portion of the OM, to first go through the proper channels with dealerships to no avail, and opened a Case # with a rep on the line, which they in turn formally and quickly communicate to the dealership it's been assigned (I have experienced this). Depending on the results I would probably say eff em', take it out on a safe road during their business hours and melt it down, call them and say come and get it, it is now really your problem.
edit: with that being said, after the 4th documented dealer visit (or maybe 2nd or 3rd) I would have called the HD Customer Service department (instead of writing a letter) as instructed in the Warranty portion of the OM, to first go through the proper channels with dealerships to no avail, and opened a Case # with a rep on the line, which they in turn formally and quickly communicate to the dealership it's been assigned (I have experienced this). Depending on the results I would probably say eff em', take it out on a safe road during their business hours and melt it down, call them and say come and get it, it is now really your problem.
#15
09-06-2018, 07:58 PM
#16
09-06-2018, 09:35 PM
Not a Moderator!
sucks big time, but why do you keep taking it on trips? that's crazy...doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results
"15 times in 3 months this bike has stranded me on the side of the road"
"Sometimes it keeps doing it until the bike rests for an hour or 2. Meanwhile, I'm stuck on the side of the road."
"Every time I take a trip about 2 hours into it I am stranded"
"This happens over and over."
"15 times in 3 months this bike has stranded me on the side of the road"
"Sometimes it keeps doing it until the bike rests for an hour or 2. Meanwhile, I'm stuck on the side of the road."
"Every time I take a trip about 2 hours into it I am stranded"
"This happens over and over."
#17
09-07-2018, 10:21 PM
OP has no clue what sumping is or how a dry sump system works.
"I have to stop on the side of the road and let the oil drip down back to the pan"
Also, the op is not running a harley stage 1. He has a full V&H system with headpipe while running a canned map with the SEPST. His initial posts were about his bike running hot etc. and I doubt 4 seperate dealers failed to correctly perform the sumping test.
I beleive this is a tune problem. The canned sepst map will not compensate enough for those V&H pipes, leading to a lean condition under load and reduced timing due to detonation ultimately leading to reduced power. Of course there may be other issues like a leaking intake or odd sensor problems.
Billyo... If your reading this. Try talking to your dealer about either getting the autotune module with wideband O2s installed or a dyno tune.
"I have to stop on the side of the road and let the oil drip down back to the pan"
Also, the op is not running a harley stage 1. He has a full V&H system with headpipe while running a canned map with the SEPST. His initial posts were about his bike running hot etc. and I doubt 4 seperate dealers failed to correctly perform the sumping test.
I beleive this is a tune problem. The canned sepst map will not compensate enough for those V&H pipes, leading to a lean condition under load and reduced timing due to detonation ultimately leading to reduced power. Of course there may be other issues like a leaking intake or odd sensor problems.
Billyo... If your reading this. Try talking to your dealer about either getting the autotune module with wideband O2s installed or a dyno tune.
#18
09-07-2018, 11:04 PM
Road Captain
OP has no clue what sumping is or how a dry sump system works.
"I have to stop on the side of the road and let the oil drip down back to the pan"
Also, the op is not running a harley stage 1. He has a full V&H system with headpipe while running a canned map with the SEPST. His initial posts were about his bike running hot etc. and I doubt 4 seperate dealers failed to correctly perform the sumping test.
I beleive this is a tune problem. The canned sepst map will not compensate enough for those V&H pipes, leading to a lean condition under load and reduced timing due to detonation ultimately leading to reduced power. Of course there may be other issues like a leaking intake or odd sensor problems.
Billyo... If your reading this. Try talking to your dealer about either getting the autotune module with wideband O2s installed or a dyno tune.
"I have to stop on the side of the road and let the oil drip down back to the pan"
Also, the op is not running a harley stage 1. He has a full V&H system with headpipe while running a canned map with the SEPST. His initial posts were about his bike running hot etc. and I doubt 4 seperate dealers failed to correctly perform the sumping test.
I beleive this is a tune problem. The canned sepst map will not compensate enough for those V&H pipes, leading to a lean condition under load and reduced timing due to detonation ultimately leading to reduced power. Of course there may be other issues like a leaking intake or odd sensor problems.
Billyo... If your reading this. Try talking to your dealer about either getting the autotune module with wideband O2s installed or a dyno tune.
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#19
09-07-2018, 11:37 PM
I gave him this suggestion in one of his previous threads.
#20
09-08-2018, 04:44 PM
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2018 Street Glide CVO Same issue
Traded my 2014 Street Glide Special In for my 2018 CVO a few weeks ago bike has about 550 miles on it and is having the exact same issues. Has left me on the side of the road and at one dealer already. No power coughing and spitting the whole time. Bike is super hot and smells of fuel and burnt oil, The dealer says nothing is wrong because they havnt got it to sump. I’m over the games paid good money for this so called big bad *** 117 when a sportster can run circles around me. The Stage 2 kit was done at the dealer before I purchased the bike with sac header, rinehart pipes, 550g cam, adjustable push rods and power vision running. They had originally told me that I wasn’t riding the bike how the cam was designed to used, I couldn’t believe that so I took the flash drive to another Harley tuner and couldn’t believe the big drop in the power curve between 1500rpm and 3000rpms. Took the bike on a 60 mile ride from fort Walton beach to Panama City and went through two tanks of gas and barley made it. Limped it in and ended up having to have it towed to the original dealer. Been arguing with the dealer for a week now, was finally able to get a print out of the RO to see what all they had changed and swapped. To my surprise most was documented well except for not doing the heavy duty valve train and the dyno tune was literally an hour and they called it good. When I asked why they chose the 550g over the SE515, I got the answer that person X likes the way that cam pulls in these bikes. Overall I’m not impressed with how the bike performs, rides well, but doesn’t run like a big twin, **** it doesn’t even run like an 883.
Update as if today is that there is now a Tech Bulliten our for possible sumping, but none of the service guys are aware of what the fix or when the parts will be available. I’m almost to the point where I want my 2014 back or considering FL Lemon Law to get a full refund .......
anyone else with these issues? Find a fix yet?
Update as if today is that there is now a Tech Bulliten our for possible sumping, but none of the service guys are aware of what the fix or when the parts will be available. I’m almost to the point where I want my 2014 back or considering FL Lemon Law to get a full refund .......
anyone else with these issues? Find a fix yet?
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