oil pump on se stage 3?
 

hear a lot about sumping on first m8s out. mine rebuilt at tech center in milwaukee to se stage 3. I was told when they do se stage 3 they use a bigger oil pump. can anyone confirm this or was I being fed a line of ?????. by the way mine is 2017 and cam out in 2016 as demo. no problems yet though. 15000 miles.

Do you have a parts list for your build? That's the only way to know what they put in your bike.

No there was not a larger oil pump installed. Harley did not, nor do they presently, have but one size oil pump for these. They have since your build, had many revisions to the pump and even now include a seal to assist w stopping the Sumping issue, the verdict is still out.
I too have a first release '17 CVO with a Stage lll build. I also had a the issue when the M8 First rolled out with the oil pump relief having the debri in it from the vendor, jamming open the relief valve and losing oil pressure. Thankfully nothing was damaged and like you, fortunately I have not sumped.

well that sums that up on pump. would like to do as cazador says but there is no paper work or documentation on upgrade so cant see what was done or put in motor. will forever remain a mystery bike. I guess all I can do is ride and hope for the best.

Go back and demand the paperwork, it has all the part numbers on it , and you should of been given it anyway.

Peace

This is what you get on stage III M8 kit.

http://www.boardtrackerharleyonline....ed/2017_SE.pdf

A new pump isn't guaranteed to cure Sumping.The best pump is the one in your bike that hasn't sumped and probably never will! Forget the paranoia and just ride!

Exactly!!! Unless you're replacing for other reasons, leave well enough alone and go enjoy the ride!

to agoober. there is nothing to go back for. upgrade was done at tech center in Milwaukee and there are no records or anything entered in computer under my vin to show it. dozens of posters have told me they are suppose to do that but it wasn't done and I have called the customer service center in Milwaukee many times with same results. huge difference between what they should do and what they did. they verbaly say they did it but offer no paperwork. my loss.

annibel, when was your Stage lll kit installed on your 114"?

not sure when it was installed. bought bike from dealer as demo bike with 8600 miles on it . dealer said it was done by hd at tech center in Milwaukee but didn't have date or paperwork. nothing entered into computer or on vin number.

So you don’t even know if you have a warranty on those parts? I.e. stage 3 is only covered by warranty if done (and documented) within the first 60 days of ownership.

That would not make me happy...

mchad. on a normal purchase you are totally right. Demo bike is different. I asked about upgrade being done within first 60 days and was told since it was a CO OWNED BIKE by hd it didn't matter. have had 5 different dealers run history on bike and all come up the same. since it was driven by an exec upgrade was done at their training center in Milwaukee and no documentation is required. I have been told all the things they HAVE to do but in the end they have no obligation for anything once dealer takes ownership. They just find a sucker like me to then buy it. Still like the bike though!

Sorry, I got nothing out of that. Do you have a full end to end warranty? It sounds like maybe, but it’s not clear to me.

mchad. I bought a 2017 road king DEMO bike from a hd dealer. I was advertised as a 107 with SE stage 3 upgrade.
after purchase I asked for documentation on upgrade. They told me when they purchase a demo bike thru auction from HD corp. they are given zero info on bike before they get it, I have reached out to HD in Milwaukee 6 or 7 times for info. their response is always it was done there with all SE parts so I am covered by esp. when I bought the bike I was told after purchase that because it was a demo bike the warranty started the day it came off line. therefore I had 1 month of factory warranty left. to be honest I only have there word its a 114. I believe so but have no paperwork nor can I get any. guess I should have lawyers definition of DEMO before buying.. My mistake.

Ok I’m an idiot. It’s a 2017. For some reason I had it in my head it was a 19. Thanks for explaining, but it doesn’t really matter at that point! Good luck with it either way!

Once again there should be no reason for the Dealer to lie to you about Stage 111. If it has not given you any trouble in 7000 miles and covered 8000 at the Dealer before that,what's your concern? The best way to verify it has stage 111 is to Drag a 107.Check the compression is 11:1.Check if it has double valve springs.Should have a high flow air filter.Should have been sold with a tuner? If you have it get a dealer to read the state of tune or Dyno it. It should already go like Hell?

Yea I get it now,just ride it mate , enjoy that bike and ride safe.

Peace to you.

Goobs,:icon_pala: What do you hear about any upcoming Monoshock Touring frame upgrade?

Peter Quinn. First concern was question about oil pump. Second , not everyone that rides a Harley is a full certified mechanic. Dealer probably did not lie about upgrade. They just cannot provide any documentation. Has high flow air cleaner and screaming eagle street tuner. Also bike has more power than I will ever use. Original concern was if different or bigger oil pump was used on rebuild? Just being cautious on all the post out there about oil pumps and sumping. If I had ten paged I would explain mystery bike and why there seems to be no documentation on it before it went to dealer.

I did my own SE 114 stage 111 on my 2017 SGS.Noted that it had the oldest 119 pump version.Had no problems for 3000 miles so I didn't fiddle with it.We do long distance tours on it,riding hard and faster than most.Done another 15000 miles of smiles since.Never personally laid eyes on a sumper or a guy that rode one!My long term observation is that Harley's are pretty much Bullet proof! Or maybe I'm just an optimist.:icon_dance-tap: