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Old 12-07-2022, 08:46 PM
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My Wood Alpha lifters were noisy on cold start for about 15 or 20 seconds so they were replaced with a new set which were quiet at first and now noisy again a few thousand miles later. I called the fuel Moto and he said more than likely my adjustable push rods need to be turned a few more turns to tighten them up. He said they recommend four turns instead of the standard 2 1/2 anybody have any experience with this?
 

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Old 12-07-2022, 08:53 PM
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Depends what push rods you are using, I have the S&S and mine are turned 4 full turns, I an also running S&S lifters, the SE would have been about 2.5 to three I'd I used them, it depends on the TPI count.
 
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Old 12-07-2022, 11:40 PM
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Depends on your lifters. I have the s/s lifters with fuel moto quickie push rods. I did a stage II woods 22xe last winter on my 2020RGL and did the 3.5 turns, and all ran well. I got about 3k miles into it and was on a trip from Texas to Gatlinburg this last fall. Starting up one morning, at our house on top of the mountain, where it was much cooler than Texas temps but I noticed a slight tapping on start up and was like wtf. It took a few minutes of warm up for it to subside. The first day as we were making our way from the house down the mountain, I was not comfortable using the engine brake as I normally would because that exasperated the tapping, so I was using front/rear brakes to control speed, which again I don't like doing coming down a mountain. By the time I got down to the bottom (5 minutes it was pretty much back to normal) During the course of the next week, I fired my bike up first and let it run a few minutes at idle to try and warm it up so I wouldn't be engine braking this thing and hearing that tapping.
Anyway, after I got back to Texas I called Fuel Moto and talked to their tech in the shop, my concern on these premium s/s lifter with such low miles, he asked me how much preload I put on them, I told them I wrote down 3.5 turns. He said minimum 4 turns. You could have a bad lifter he said, but I highly doubt it, I'd put 4 on them and check again, if you still have issues, call us back, we'll take care of you.
Well as much as I hated to pop those lifter tubes out, I pulled all four tubes and I wanted to start from squree one to make sure they were all dialed in exactly the same. First of all none backed off, but I did bring them all back to zero lash and then 4 turns. I don't notice anything on startup now.
 
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Old 12-08-2022, 03:24 AM
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When I did my cams and used the FM adjustable with the Woods Night Prowler lifters, I followed the instructions that came with the lifters, 4 turns. Not a sound out of them.....
 
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I was a bit confused because:

The Wood Alpha lifters instructions spec 0.120 to 0.140" push rod extension.

The Fuel Moto EZ pushrods instructions spec 4 turns for Wood lifters. These pushrods are 24tpi or 0.042"per 1 turn. So 4 turns X .042" = 0.168". Is 0.168 getting too close to the max lifter travel which is ~0.200"?
 
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This is the "frosting"/wear after 25,000 miles on oem parts.

 
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This is the "frosting"/wear after 25,000 miles on oem parts.
wonder what my OEM stuff looks like at 57,000 miles now..amazing it runs exactly the same as it did when new..hope it doesn't just spontaneous combust any minute now because of frosting

 
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Being that two sets have done this and both installed by the same tech, I’m guessing I need them adjusted. Thanks for the information👍🏻
 
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Being that two sets have done this and both installed by the same tech, I’m guessing I need them adjusted. Thanks for the information👍🏻
 
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Originally Posted by mjwebb
wonder what my OEM stuff looks like at 57,000 miles now..amazing it runs exactly the same as it did when new..hope it doesn't just spontaneous combust any minute now because of frosting
It looks like you got your bike from the same batch that Chris Hopper (the guy that rode 100,000 miles in 100 days) obtained his. Did we just read he's at ~146,000 miles with no "real" issues?
 
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