Rocker C upgrade from 96ci to 103 or 110?
#21
Another suggestion was to also change the exhaust that I have, it is not a high performance one (I don't know) and suggested to change it for Wegner X-Pipe (see picture), but I don't really like it.
So I really see the upgrade performance, the exhaust that I have right now will not give the full performance, correct?
So I really see the upgrade performance, the exhaust that I have right now will not give the full performance, correct?
#22
If I were you (read: if I had an '07 & up motor instead of an '05) I would just drop a 124" crate motor from S&S Cycle (only company that offers a 1 year warranty on their big inch motors - JIMS and Screamin' Eagle don't).
New 124" & 111" Harley Replacement Engine from S&S
Upgrade the ecm, throttle body assembly, 2 into 1 exhaust and clutch and you are good to go.
I started with an 88" and upgraded to a 95". Wanted more power so went to a 107". Motor was trashed due to parts slapper and currently having a 124" installed now by an authorized S&S Cycle trained mechanic.
As you can see, the small upgrades actually cost more in the long term than if I would have just paid a little more up front.
#23
Another suggestion was to also change the exhaust that I have, it is not a high performance one (I don't know) and suggested to change it for Wegner X-Pipe (see picture), but I don't really like it.
So I really see the upgrade performance, the exhaust that I have right now will not give the full performance, correct?
So I really see the upgrade performance, the exhaust that I have right now will not give the full performance, correct?
Your current exhaust is a V&H Big Radius which is a "pure" 2 into 2.
2 into 2 systems have normally a lower performance compared to 2 into 1 exhausts even though I personally prefer the look of 2 into 2.
What you have to consider is the cost effectiveness of an exhaust swap.
When I had my first dyno I had V&H Big Shots Staggered (which has the Power Chamber technology, basically a 2 into 1 into 2) on and reached about 79HP while an identical bike with V&H 2 into 1 reached 80/81HP.
Implementing a 2 into 1 exhaust the difference with your current setup should be in the range of 3/4 hp. Worth doing? This is something you have to consider keeping in mind the "look" factor you prefer.
Personally I've chosen to sacrifice a couple of HP keeping the 2 into 2 look.
To be honest those Wegner pipes are not my favorite...
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#24
I talked to FM today, these are their numbers:
Kit to be installed locally;
$1299.00 107 Kit
$299.00 cylinder core fee
$879.00 Level B Heads
$650.00 Head core fee
$100.00 Compression Releases
I will also need a clutch enhancement either the Heavy Clutch Spring for $30 or the FM/AIM Variable Pressure Plate for $285. We also talked about getting the 50 mm Throttle Body from a local HD Dealer and they typically run $350 to $400.
Kit installed by Fuel Moto
$2199.00 107 Kit
$879.00 Level B Heads
$100.00 Compression Releases
$285.00 FM/AIM Pressure Plate
$75.00 Oil change/shop supplies
$176.90 Sales Tax (5%)
$3714.90 Total
I like the idea of FM doing the work, but I'm 9hrs from their shop. I will have to make it a family road trip, so add a trailer rental (the one that I have is small and don't trust it for a long trip), plus hotel, etc.
A couple of local shops will charge me around $1000 for labor.
But when it comes to engine upgrades I would like a trusted place...and FM has a lot of good reviews.
Local HD dealer will install the FM setup for $1100, but I will have to pay for a dyno tune $500, if I buy their kit, they will waive the tune fee for the next 30 days.
FM price includes a tune.
My budget is $3500-$4000 I actually had in mine only $2500, but after several inquiries I increased it.
Other shops said that the FM/AIM Pressure Plate ($285) makes the clutch harder to operate at higher RPMs and advised to use the SE, any suggestions?
Kit to be installed locally;
$1299.00 107 Kit
$299.00 cylinder core fee
$879.00 Level B Heads
$650.00 Head core fee
$100.00 Compression Releases
I will also need a clutch enhancement either the Heavy Clutch Spring for $30 or the FM/AIM Variable Pressure Plate for $285. We also talked about getting the 50 mm Throttle Body from a local HD Dealer and they typically run $350 to $400.
Kit installed by Fuel Moto
$2199.00 107 Kit
$879.00 Level B Heads
$100.00 Compression Releases
$285.00 FM/AIM Pressure Plate
$75.00 Oil change/shop supplies
$176.90 Sales Tax (5%)
$3714.90 Total
I like the idea of FM doing the work, but I'm 9hrs from their shop. I will have to make it a family road trip, so add a trailer rental (the one that I have is small and don't trust it for a long trip), plus hotel, etc.
A couple of local shops will charge me around $1000 for labor.
But when it comes to engine upgrades I would like a trusted place...and FM has a lot of good reviews.
Local HD dealer will install the FM setup for $1100, but I will have to pay for a dyno tune $500, if I buy their kit, they will waive the tune fee for the next 30 days.
FM price includes a tune.
My budget is $3500-$4000 I actually had in mine only $2500, but after several inquiries I increased it.
Other shops said that the FM/AIM Pressure Plate ($285) makes the clutch harder to operate at higher RPMs and advised to use the SE, any suggestions?
If you are considering us to do the complete install of your 107 kit it will leave here turn key, ready to go with a 1 year warranty on the build. We stand behind our builds 100%
Another suggestion was to also change the exhaust that I have, it is not a high performance one (I don't know) and suggested to change it for Wegner X-Pipe (see picture), but I don't really like it.
So I really see the upgrade performance, the exhaust that I have right now will not give the full performance, correct?
So I really see the upgrade performance, the exhaust that I have right now will not give the full performance, correct?
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Jamie Long / Fuel Moto USA
The USA's Leader V-Twin EFI & Performance www.fuelmotousa.com
Contact 920-423-3309
Email jamie@fuelmotousa.com
#25
#26
Since you are planning to keep your bike for a long time, it makes more sense to do a single "ouch that really hurt my wallet" upgrade. It may seem like a lot but in reality, you are only paying for parts and labor once. Things add up when you bump it up a few cubic inches at a time because you have out grown your current setup.
If I were you (read: if I had an '07 & up motor instead of an '05) I would just drop a 124" crate motor from S&S Cycle (only company that offers a 1 year warranty on their big inch motors - JIMS and Screamin' Eagle don't).
New 124" & 111" Harley Replacement Engine from S&S
Upgrade the ecm, throttle body assembly, 2 into 1 exhaust and clutch and you are good to go.
I started with an 88" and upgraded to a 95". Wanted more power so went to a 107". Motor was trashed due to parts slapper and currently having a 124" installed now by an authorized S&S Cycle trained mechanic.
As you can see, the small upgrades actually cost more in the long term than if I would have just paid a little more up front.
If I were you (read: if I had an '07 & up motor instead of an '05) I would just drop a 124" crate motor from S&S Cycle (only company that offers a 1 year warranty on their big inch motors - JIMS and Screamin' Eagle don't).
New 124" & 111" Harley Replacement Engine from S&S
Upgrade the ecm, throttle body assembly, 2 into 1 exhaust and clutch and you are good to go.
I started with an 88" and upgraded to a 95". Wanted more power so went to a 107". Motor was trashed due to parts slapper and currently having a 124" installed now by an authorized S&S Cycle trained mechanic.
As you can see, the small upgrades actually cost more in the long term than if I would have just paid a little more up front.
I looked at the 120R or 120ST while I was at the HD dealer...really cool.
#27
Your current exhaust is a V&H Big Radius which is a "pure" 2 into 2.
2 into 2 systems have normally a lower performance compared to 2 into 1 exhausts even though I personally prefer the look of 2 into 2.
What you have to consider is the cost effectiveness of an exhaust swap.
When I had my first dyno I had V&H Big Shots Staggered (which has the Power Chamber technology, basically a 2 into 1 into 2) on and reached about 79HP while an identical bike with V&H 2 into 1 reached 80/81HP.
Implementing a 2 into 1 exhaust the difference with your current setup should be in the range of 3/4 hp. Worth doing? This is something you have to consider keeping in mind the "look" factor you prefer.
Personally I've chosen to sacrifice a couple of HP keeping the 2 into 2 look.
To be honest those Wegner pipes are not my favorite...
2 into 2 systems have normally a lower performance compared to 2 into 1 exhausts even though I personally prefer the look of 2 into 2.
What you have to consider is the cost effectiveness of an exhaust swap.
When I had my first dyno I had V&H Big Shots Staggered (which has the Power Chamber technology, basically a 2 into 1 into 2) on and reached about 79HP while an identical bike with V&H 2 into 1 reached 80/81HP.
Implementing a 2 into 1 exhaust the difference with your current setup should be in the range of 3/4 hp. Worth doing? This is something you have to consider keeping in mind the "look" factor you prefer.
Personally I've chosen to sacrifice a couple of HP keeping the 2 into 2 look.
To be honest those Wegner pipes are not my favorite...
I found some that look pretty cool, Dirty Bird Concepts, look for some youtube videos. Looks and sound pretty cool, I don't know about performance. here is one
Last edited by HDFan0611; 10-28-2015 at 08:20 PM.
#28
If you are considering us to do the complete install of your 107 kit it will leave here turn key, ready to go with a 1 year warranty on the build. We stand behind our builds 100%
If you are looking to build a 107 in say the 110-115Hp range I would take a look at either the V&H Pro Pipe 2/1 or the D&D Fatcat, either of these would work really well.
If you are looking to build a 107 in say the 110-115Hp range I would take a look at either the V&H Pro Pipe 2/1 or the D&D Fatcat, either of these would work really well.
But all the extra $$$ and time is what is holding me back...
If I do the 107 build with my current setup (VH big radius, HD Heavy Breather and Power Vision tunner (I bought it from you, thanks) what should I get in HP/TQ?
#29
No matter what you decide, I strongly suggest to have the crank addressed to handle the extra horsepower and torque.
#30
Another suggestion was to also change the exhaust that I have, it is not a high performance one (I don't know) and suggested to change it for Wegner X-Pipe (see picture), but I don't really like it.
So I really see the upgrade performance, the exhaust that I have right now will not give the full performance, correct?
So I really see the upgrade performance, the exhaust that I have right now will not give the full performance, correct?
Wegner X pipe are ugly ... ugly!! I prefer lost 5-10hp and still with the 103"/107" upgrade and big radius exhaust.