What would you do about this???
#12
This is no different than having any contractor do any type of work for you. If you ask a carpenter to build you blue bench and you end up with a red TV stand... What do you do? Ya don't pay him, and take your business elsewhere. If he tries to sue you, your arguement is that you asked for one thing, and you got something completely different.
That is why, it's always best to have some sort of job description or diagram on paper. Much the same as a car repair shop. That way, there is no 'gray area' about what is to be done..any decisions about things like colour choice would be clear and concise. Not to mention the fact that if the issue ends up in court for any reason..you both have a copy of what the original intent was. Hey .. I watch Judge Judy! Get EVERYTHING on paper!
The time wasted is irreplaceable and has no monetary value. I wouldn't trust him either. He obviously has some serious issue with following specific instructions. Chances are you will be burned again....You should learn the 1st time! Sucks if you have to cancel your plans.
I would certainly make sure, that if any of my friends ever considered taking anything to this guy .. that they know the full story.
That is why, it's always best to have some sort of job description or diagram on paper. Much the same as a car repair shop. That way, there is no 'gray area' about what is to be done..any decisions about things like colour choice would be clear and concise. Not to mention the fact that if the issue ends up in court for any reason..you both have a copy of what the original intent was. Hey .. I watch Judge Judy! Get EVERYTHING on paper!
The time wasted is irreplaceable and has no monetary value. I wouldn't trust him either. He obviously has some serious issue with following specific instructions. Chances are you will be burned again....You should learn the 1st time! Sucks if you have to cancel your plans.
I would certainly make sure, that if any of my friends ever considered taking anything to this guy .. that they know the full story.
I did make sure I had witnesses with me when I talked to him and I took pictures of what he did..or did not do. I'm not trying to screw anyone. He did french the license plate and tail light in the fender. That looks great! He still has some of the parts that I need. If I get someone else to finish it I'm sure he won't give up those parts. I just have a gut feeling he is going to want more money than we agreed upon and I don't like the fact that he is expecting the art work guy to make it right for free. It's a difficult situation that NEVER should have gotton this way!
#13
i took my tanks/fenders of my 72flh to a buddy to paint april 04 i got the front fender and tanks back so far,only one side was painted, the other tank is so gouged up from a da sander it needs covered in bondo before i can even paint it my self.. and the rear fender and tail lite is missing.. that only took 6 1/2 years..
Uuuuuh...You Win!
#15
I did make sure I had witnesses with me when I talked to him and I took pictures of what he did..or did not do. I'm not trying to screw anyone. He did french the license plate and tail light in the fender. That looks great! He still has some of the parts that I need. If I get someone else to finish it I'm sure he won't give up those parts. I just have a gut feeling he is going to want more money than we agreed upon and I don't like the fact that he is expecting the art work guy to make it right for free. It's a difficult situation that NEVER should have gotton this way!
I can only assume that you have spoken to him about your concerns. What does HE say? How did he justify choosing a colour different from what you specified? He can't hold this against YOU. He is definately the one who screwed up here.
Just a piece of friendly advise..as dissapointed as you are about all of this, I would suggest you calmly ask what he is prepared to do about this mess, reminding him of what you asked for and what you got.
Remember the old "You can attract more bees with honey, than you can with vinigar' expression. You might be able to charm your way around this guy and get what you want in the end. It's worth a try. If he is any kind of upstanding guy, he will want to make this deal work just as much as you do.
Good luck.
#17
here's what you should have done as soon as the tins were back in your hands ...
take them to another painter and get the paint job you wanted . deduct his bill from whatever bill the first painter hands you . explain what you're doing and why , showing him the new bill . he didn't deliver what you wanted and in fact delivered something you specifically didn't want . you shouldn't have to pay for that
unfortunately you're most likely to end up with a larger bill than you originally agreed on , in order to pay the airbrush artist for redoing the work
good luck , hope it works out
take them to another painter and get the paint job you wanted . deduct his bill from whatever bill the first painter hands you . explain what you're doing and why , showing him the new bill . he didn't deliver what you wanted and in fact delivered something you specifically didn't want . you shouldn't have to pay for that
unfortunately you're most likely to end up with a larger bill than you originally agreed on , in order to pay the airbrush artist for redoing the work
good luck , hope it works out
#18
Well then, I would pay him for the stuff we agree on...If he did that part right, he deserves to be paid for that. As for the parts .. are these ordered parts that you owe him for, or were they parts off your bike that you already own. He can't keep anything that does not belong to him.
I can only assume that you have spoken to him about your concerns. What does HE say? How did he justify choosing a colour different from what you specified? He can't hold this against YOU. He is definately the one who screwed up here.
Just a piece of friendly advise..as dissapointed as you are about all of this, I would suggest you calmly ask what he is prepared to do about this mess, reminding him of what you asked for and what you got.
Remember the old "You can attract more bees with honey, than you can with vinigar' expression. You might be able to charm your way around this guy and get what you want in the end. It's worth a try. If he is any kind of upstanding guy, he will want to make this deal work just as much as you do.
Good luck.
I can only assume that you have spoken to him about your concerns. What does HE say? How did he justify choosing a colour different from what you specified? He can't hold this against YOU. He is definately the one who screwed up here.
Just a piece of friendly advise..as dissapointed as you are about all of this, I would suggest you calmly ask what he is prepared to do about this mess, reminding him of what you asked for and what you got.
Remember the old "You can attract more bees with honey, than you can with vinigar' expression. You might be able to charm your way around this guy and get what you want in the end. It's worth a try. If he is any kind of upstanding guy, he will want to make this deal work just as much as you do.
Good luck.
He has yet to offer an explanation except that silver on silver flames don't show up good...which is false if doen right. He said him and the art work guy got crossed up...which is false. He flat out told him to paint blue flames. He acted like I should have just liked what was done and that this is a tremendous inconvinience to him.
I have tried to be very calm and respectful through this whole process but I have also been firm that he needs to own his decision and the reprocussions of that decision. Most of this happened before I discovered he wasn't actually doing the artwork like he had led me to believe. Once the jig was up I think he wanted to wash his hands of the whole thing. The problem is he has time and some paint materials in this and has already paid the art work guy for the blue flames that should have never been painted on my bike.
I did tell him the same thing I tell my kids. You can point fingers in every direction but all you will work on is blame, now that we know what how we got here let's work on the solution.
He is being paid well and I think his plan was to use what he had in his cabinet, get this guy to throw some flames on my bike, give him a few hundred and I would just be okay with that...me being an easy going guy and all. He puts big $$$ in his pocket and comes out smelling like a rose. I still can't get over him telling this guy to paint blue flames on my bike after the conversations we had. It just blows my mind. I keep thinking Aston Kutcher is going to walk up...it's that rediculous!
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#20
i'd pay the airbrush artist nicely for doing my paint twice (and for being accommodating and straight forward with me)
then i'd go ask the original guy how much the body work cost and pay him that and not a red cent more. he didn't do anything else for you, why should you pay him for anything else?
after he had what money was rightly owed to him, i'd tell him to pack sand
disclaimer: before telling the guy off (and you really need to do this, he's been f*cking you sideways the whole time here) make sure everything you need is in your possession.
then i'd go ask the original guy how much the body work cost and pay him that and not a red cent more. he didn't do anything else for you, why should you pay him for anything else?
after he had what money was rightly owed to him, i'd tell him to pack sand
disclaimer: before telling the guy off (and you really need to do this, he's been f*cking you sideways the whole time here) make sure everything you need is in your possession.