Why not combine front and rear brake into one
#22
12-12-2017, 10:57 AM
Stellar HDF Member
I'm suprized all the time how many older riders still give that advice in alcohol driven conversations
#23
12-12-2017, 01:51 PM
#24
12-12-2017, 05:54 PM
I think it points to their never taking an MSF ARC or ERC class? Or any sort of formal rider training course? Although I know a few experienced riders that have (apparently) slept through the indoor classroom portion that addresses the subject because they will still describe trail braking incorrectly.
#25
12-12-2017, 06:32 PM
HD has been providing linked brakes, as part of the ABS package, for several years. The hand brake activates front and rear...with more force in front. The brake pedal still operates just the rear, as there are times when only the rear is desired...such as slow speed maneuvers.
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#26
12-12-2017, 06:57 PM
Extreme HDF Member
Yes the trike linked brakes foot lever activates the rear disc and one front disc. On the touring two wheel bikes ABS system the ecm will drop out the link at 17 mph or lower. On the trikes (no ABS) they operate full time.
Since I winter ride every year the 14 Freewheeler gives me trouble when I go through small towns that don't always plow. When I try to stop at a light/sign the front wheel locks up. Bugs the heck out of me but I deal with it.
Since I winter ride every year the 14 Freewheeler gives me trouble when I go through small towns that don't always plow. When I try to stop at a light/sign the front wheel locks up. Bugs the heck out of me but I deal with it.
#27
12-12-2017, 08:26 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
#28
12-12-2017, 08:32 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
HD has been providing linked brakes, as part of the ABS package, for several years. The hand brake activates front and rear...with more force in front. The brake pedal still operates just the rear, as there are times when only the rear is desired...such as slow speed maneuvers.
To quote the owners manual (emphasis mine.)
At speeds greater than 32–40 km/h (20–25 mph), the system dynamically adjusts the linking for the amount of brake applied as well as vehicle speed to achieve an optimized brake balance. The system provides more linking when the rider is applying heavier braking and reduces or eliminates linking for light braking and low speeds.
NOTE: When applying both brakes, the rider may detect slight feedback in the front brake lever or rear brake pedal while the dynamic balancing occurs.
When linked, applying the front brake lever alone causes the system to also dynamically apply an amount of braking to the rear. Applying the rear brake pedal alone causes the system to also apply an amount of braking to the left front caliper. When applying both brakes, the system attempts to dynamically balance braking across both the front and rear wheels.
At speeds less than 32–40 km/h (20–25 mph), the brakes are not linked so that low speed maneuverability is not adversely affected, such as when riding the motorcycle in a parking lot.
NOTE: When applying both brakes, the rider may detect slight feedback in the front brake lever or rear brake pedal while the dynamic balancing occurs.
When linked, applying the front brake lever alone causes the system to also dynamically apply an amount of braking to the rear. Applying the rear brake pedal alone causes the system to also apply an amount of braking to the left front caliper. When applying both brakes, the system attempts to dynamically balance braking across both the front and rear wheels.
At speeds less than 32–40 km/h (20–25 mph), the brakes are not linked so that low speed maneuverability is not adversely affected, such as when riding the motorcycle in a parking lot.
Last edited by Keithhu; 12-12-2017 at 08:33 PM.
#29
12-12-2017, 09:36 PM
Well Guys.....Here's what my 2015 Ultra Limited's Owners Manual says about how my year and model works......somewhat different than the previous poster. (This is a direct "cut & paste")
2014 and later Touring motorcycles with the Reflex anti-lock brake system have electronically linked brake functionality. This linked brake system provides more responsiveness and allows for more balanced front and rear braking under a wide variety of brake applications.
At speeds greater than 32–40 km/h (20–25 mph), the system dynamically adjusts the linking for the amount of brake applied as well as vehicle speed to achieve a more optimized brake balance. The system provides more linking when the rider is applying heavier braking, and reduces or eliminates linking for light braking and low speeds.
When linked, applying the front brake lever alone will cause the system to also dynamically apply an amount of braking to the rear. Applying the rear brake pedal alone will cause the system to also apply an amount of braking to the left front caliper. When applying both brakes, the system attempts to dynamically balance braking across both the front and rear wheels.
At speeds less than 32–40 km/h (20–25 mph), the brakes are not linked so that low speed maneuverability is not adversely affected, such as when riding the motorcycle in a parking lot.
2014 and later Touring motorcycles with the Reflex anti-lock brake system have electronically linked brake functionality. This linked brake system provides more responsiveness and allows for more balanced front and rear braking under a wide variety of brake applications.
At speeds greater than 32–40 km/h (20–25 mph), the system dynamically adjusts the linking for the amount of brake applied as well as vehicle speed to achieve a more optimized brake balance. The system provides more linking when the rider is applying heavier braking, and reduces or eliminates linking for light braking and low speeds.
When linked, applying the front brake lever alone will cause the system to also dynamically apply an amount of braking to the rear. Applying the rear brake pedal alone will cause the system to also apply an amount of braking to the left front caliper. When applying both brakes, the system attempts to dynamically balance braking across both the front and rear wheels.
At speeds less than 32–40 km/h (20–25 mph), the brakes are not linked so that low speed maneuverability is not adversely affected, such as when riding the motorcycle in a parking lot.
#30
12-13-2017, 02:51 AM
Banned
Ha! Wouldn't know. Never had one. What year is classed as the start of the "modern" era? May be I did and didn't know.
How well do these modern Harley systems work feel? I remember some of the original ABS were a bit "pulse-y" when used.
Is the switch over noticeable? Does it ever interfere with normal riding? How long do they last without sevicing?
How well do these modern Harley systems work feel? I remember some of the original ABS were a bit "pulse-y" when used.
Is the switch over noticeable? Does it ever interfere with normal riding? How long do they last without sevicing?
Last edited by Wodan; 12-13-2017 at 02:53 AM.