new tire with nail in it
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RE: new tire with nail in it
PLUGGING a tire is a Tempory Fix...
When you plug a tire you're making the hole larger and will cut the cords and may cause seperation of the tread by allowing air to seep between the inner liner and the tread...
All motorcycle tires had with a softer compound for traction and run hotter then auto\truck tire...
CHANGE THE TIRE.... Most plug kits will tell you that it is a tempory repair...
A Blow Out @ 70 mph in a Cager isn't to bad... But a Blow Out on a motorcycle @ 70 mph can be deadly
When you plug a tire you're making the hole larger and will cut the cords and may cause seperation of the tread by allowing air to seep between the inner liner and the tread...
All motorcycle tires had with a softer compound for traction and run hotter then auto\truck tire...
CHANGE THE TIRE.... Most plug kits will tell you that it is a tempory repair...
A Blow Out @ 70 mph in a Cager isn't to bad... But a Blow Out on a motorcycle @ 70 mph can be deadly
#12
RE: new tire with nail in it
I've also gone through this ... nail in tire, replaced tire, nail in NEW tire!! I did all kinds of research and came up with some that said replace it and some that said patch/plug/tube was fine. It was about 50/50 ... so I wondered how I felt about having a 50/50 chance of having a tire fail at high speed or even having the thing go flat in the middle of nowhere. I replaced the tire ... again. The worry factor wasn't worth it.
#13
RE: new tire with nail in it
ORIGINAL: happy
have the standard wheels on in,not spoked. the plug was the ones from advanced auto.the nail was right in the tread in the middle.with all your thoughts might give it a try for a while.just take it easy on it for a while.called dunlop and yep they said replace it.called the harley dealer and yep said replace it.you got it right its all about money!!! thanks for the replys gonna go take a ride for a while to clear the anger from the brain cells that are left
have the standard wheels on in,not spoked. the plug was the ones from advanced auto.the nail was right in the tread in the middle.with all your thoughts might give it a try for a while.just take it easy on it for a while.called dunlop and yep they said replace it.called the harley dealer and yep said replace it.you got it right its all about money!!! thanks for the replys gonna go take a ride for a while to clear the anger from the brain cells that are left
#14
RE: new tire with nail in it
ORIGINAL: harleyplay
I've also gone through this ... nail in tire, replaced tire, nail in NEW tire!! I did all kinds of research and came up with some that said replace it and some that said patch/plug/tube was fine. It was about 50/50 ... so I wondered how I felt about having a 50/50 chance of having a tire fail at high speed or even having the thing go flat in the middle of nowhere. I replaced the tire ... again. The worry factor wasn't worth it.
I've also gone through this ... nail in tire, replaced tire, nail in NEW tire!! I did all kinds of research and came up with some that said replace it and some that said patch/plug/tube was fine. It was about 50/50 ... so I wondered how I felt about having a 50/50 chance of having a tire fail at high speed or even having the thing go flat in the middle of nowhere. I replaced the tire ... again. The worry factor wasn't worth it.
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RE: new tire with nail in it
ORIGINAL: Zimbob
In VA. the bike won't pass inspection with a plug in it.
In VA. the bike won't pass inspection with a plug in it.
. – INSPECT TIRES, WHEELS & RIMS FOR:
[ul][*]Condition of tires including tread depth.[*]Mixing radials and bias ply tires.[*]Wheels that are cracked or damaged so as to affect safe operation. [/ul]
As to the original poster, plug it if you feel safe with that. If not tube it, which is what I would do. If neither, replace it and mail the old tire to me. I will wear it out for you.
#17
RE: new tire with nail in it
ORIGINAL: iclick
In decades of following MC and car matters, I've never heard of a failure attributed to a properly plugged tire. I'm open-minded, though, and would appreciate any info to the contrary. All that said, I would not recommend plugging a hole that is larger than the hole-finishing rod provided with most patch kits, or one that involves a tear or cut. These probably can't be repaired reliably.
In decades of following MC and car matters, I've never heard of a failure attributed to a properly plugged tire. I'm open-minded, though, and would appreciate any info to the contrary. All that said, I would not recommend plugging a hole that is larger than the hole-finishing rod provided with most patch kits, or one that involves a tear or cut. These probably can't be repaired reliably.
It is pretty easy to understand manufacturers' qualms when it comes to the subject of plugging their tires. With such a wide variety of repair methods used, the quality of repairs ends up being totally out of their control. No wonder their officials stance is " don't do it "!
And then you have this article here http://www.soundrider.com/archive/tips/tire_sense.htm
Plugging a Blowout
At some point you have had, or will experience a blow out. Often times the only way to get to a dealer to replace the tire is to plug it. If you’re running steel belted tires, don’t expect the plug to last long., You’ll be lucky if you get 50 miles from either a mushroom or string plug, maybe longer with a bias-ply, maybe not. Bottom line is that once your tire has been punctured, it needs to be replaced as soon as possible. Unlike car tires, motorcycle tires don’t have the depth of tread to retain a plug for any length of time.
And then theres this from the IBMWR site.... http://www.ibmwr.org/otech/tireplug.html
Something each rider needs to thinks about when thinking about tires and tire repairs
[quote]You pay your money and take your choice..... A patched or plugged tire is a repaired tire. Things can go wrong with it, that will not occur with a "virgin" tire. Always remember that, while it may be serviceable, it no longer is "perfect".
If you do not detect the failure soon enough, the tire may heat to the point that it delaminates and fragments itself. You are walking and getting a new tire at this point. That is, if you are not injured by the bike spitting you off in disgust. So pay attention to the dreaded signs of "soft tire".
There are many here that will tell you to replace the tire. Those tires are all that is between you and safe passage down the road. They have got to hold air. Of course those making the recommendation, may not have the money you have, nor the confidence to do a proper, safe patch.
A good, properly installed patch/plug can hold.
A poorly installed patch/plug can leak, or delaminate the tire causing you to be pitched down the road testing your leathers or Aerostich. ==8-0
The problem with any repair is that it can leak. Three ways:
[ul][*]The plug can allow water to leak or seep into the cords causing the tread to separate from the cords/fabric with not good consequences. [/ul]
Note, in neither of these has the tire lost air pressure.
Both of them can kill you.
[ul][*]The plug can allow air to leak from the tire interior to the fabric, again causing separation of the tread and not good things. [/ul]
[ul][*]Lastly the plug can allow air leakage from the inside to the outside resulting in a soft tire. If it leaks to the outside, the question is do you, or can you, sense low tire pressure before
#18
RE: new tire with nail in it
As much HELL as I put mine through I'd have to replace it ... if for no other reason ... PEACE OF MIND... after all we ask alot from our tires, starting, stoping, all the torque that involves, not to mention shifting gears, a little hard/fast acceleration, blah, blah, blah !!! After all we have spent on our bikes, blood, sweat, tears .....etc., etc., etc., the cost of another tire seems miniscule to all that to me.
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RE: new tire with nail in it
A proper repair on any tire injury is by plugging and patching.Just one or the other is not good enough. The plug seals the hole so that water cannot enter the tire and the patch reinforces the injured area on the inside. I would have the tirerepaired with a patch/plug combination by someone I trusted. I would also watch the work being done or do it myself.
A string plug that is inserted from the outside is meant to be a temporary repair (I carry some in my saddlebag). They are made of twisted cord coated with butyl rubber. After a short time the butyl in contact with the road can wear off . The cord will then act like a wick and suck water into the belts of the tire.
I've used string plugs on car tires and got many miles out of them, but ultimately they have failed sooner or later. I would trust a proper repair (patch/plug)on my bike but not a string plug for anything other than a temporary fix.
A string plug that is inserted from the outside is meant to be a temporary repair (I carry some in my saddlebag). They are made of twisted cord coated with butyl rubber. After a short time the butyl in contact with the road can wear off . The cord will then act like a wick and suck water into the belts of the tire.
I've used string plugs on car tires and got many miles out of them, but ultimately they have failed sooner or later. I would trust a proper repair (patch/plug)on my bike but not a string plug for anything other than a temporary fix.
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RE: new tire with nail in it
ORIGINAL: SG 1
A proper repair on any tire injury is by plugging and patching. Just one or the other is not good enough. The plug seals the hole so that water cannot enter the tire and the patch reinforces the injured area on the inside. I would have the tire repaired with a patch/plug combination by someone I trusted. I would also watch the work being done or do it myself.
A string plug that is inserted from the outside is meant to be a temporary repair (I carry some in my saddlebag). They are made of twisted cord coated with butyl rubber. After a short time the butyl in contact with the road can wear off . The cord will then act like a wick and suck water into the belts of the tire.
I've used string plugs on car tires and got many miles out of them, but ultimately they have failed sooner or later. I would trust a proper repair (patch/plug) on my bike but not a string plug for anything other than a temporary fix.
A proper repair on any tire injury is by plugging and patching. Just one or the other is not good enough. The plug seals the hole so that water cannot enter the tire and the patch reinforces the injured area on the inside. I would have the tire repaired with a patch/plug combination by someone I trusted. I would also watch the work being done or do it myself.
A string plug that is inserted from the outside is meant to be a temporary repair (I carry some in my saddlebag). They are made of twisted cord coated with butyl rubber. After a short time the butyl in contact with the road can wear off . The cord will then act like a wick and suck water into the belts of the tire.
I've used string plugs on car tires and got many miles out of them, but ultimately they have failed sooner or later. I would trust a proper repair (patch/plug) on my bike but not a string plug for anything other than a temporary fix.
I was just going to throw this in too. I have repaired many many tires over the years using this method. It is 100% the correct way to repair a tire.