103" Kit on 96ci Engine - How Much?
 

If I wanted to do the 103" Kit, how much am I talking with labor?

Please, I was wonderig the same thing.


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It seems to range from about $1500.00 to $1800.00 depending on your dealer. mine was $1590.00 (I think)

JMO But I had the "kit" installed at the dealer and if I had it to do over I'd take it to an indy and have them bore the cases and BUILD the engine rather that assemble a kit. I think the kit is around $1600 and they charged 6 hrs labor. BUT thats only a small part of a correctly built engine

Stage II with 255 cams. 899.95 - 25% off sale $675
Labor $800
then there's a couple of odds and ends parts and an ECM flash about $250

Total is around $1700. At least that's what was quoted me.

When I did my 103 I gathered all the parts (103 Kit-eBay $420, SE Heads, Adjustable Push Rods I already had the Cams) and had a HD Mechanic friend and myself do it in my Garage, Total Approx $1500 for a 103 Stage III

Mine was about $2400, but that included almost a grand for an exhaust system. At an indy shop. I highly recommend a good indy as moco has to build a more compliant engine at least they do here in CA. I did some comparisons before I did mine and the most I could get from the dealer was about 92hp and about 94 tq.

What is a realistic HP/TQ expectation from adding the kit?

I paid $680 labor here in Huntington Beach, CA at an independent.

mid 80's to low 90's hp and some where north of 100 tq with stock heads

For the range, why not look at kits from HQ, T-man, Hillside, or another aftermarket source. It would be a better choice than going back to oe. Cams would be a lot better.

with anything having to do with the powertrain, I'm all OEM on all of my vehicles. May be the wrong answer, but I've always thought nobody knows their products like the OEM.

I agree to a point. if it is still under warranty yes if not then there are better kit's out there for the same or even less money.

How would it be a "better" choice? Better warranty, better parts or what. I'm very satisfied with my SE Stage II kit with SE 255 cams as installed by the dealer. Mine cost about $1300 with the discounts on parts and labor they were giving last winter. And I still have the factory warranty.

What would be better about the cams, last longer, better performance for my riding style?

103 build
 

SInce you brought up the warranty issue let me throw this in the mix. I was going to do the 103 kit stage II until my dealer told me even if they install it other than the warranty that they would give you on the build (90 days) my engine warranty would be null and void essentially. If you look in the SE catalogue the 103 kits along with several other items have the crossed flag emblems. This will mean if you do it to kiss your warranty good by. I really would like some one to clarify this for me. If you are buying their stuff in a pre determined kit that they are installing how can they void your warranty?????? Besides that the SERT has the same emblems.

I don't know what you're talking about. I just looked at their online catalog and there are no such warnings on the Street legal 103" Stage II kit with the 255 cams. In fact I don't see any such warnings on any of the EFI kits. There's a Stop Light warning, a Hand warning and a California map warning, but no crossed flags. And none of them say that they cancel any warranty.

In fact, I just went through the entire Screamin' Eagle section of my 2009 printed catalog and saw no crossed flags. I think you need to verify your sources.

Found this in the note section on the HD website:
NOTE: .... When installed by an authorized Harley-Davidson® Dealer, these kits do not impact the vehicle's limited warranty.

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I am also assembling the necessary parts for a 103 Stage II kit. I have new jugs, pistons, rings and 255 cams. I have specifically asked three dealers about the warranty issue if they install these parts. They all agree that the OEM and extended warranties stay intact if they install the parts. The best price I was quoted for the complete install, including gaskets, oil change, etc., was $700 out the door. The price sounds reasonable to me.

You guys are going to dig the 103 with 255 cams, for the money it really rocks! Got mine done by dealer for 1690 plus adjustable push-rods. Already had pro-tuner and exhaust.

Just curious, any problems with hard starting when hot like the starter is going to hemorrhage?

Marc

Mines being done right now. $1495 103/255's dyno time extra. The warranty is still good.:)

I just switched to a 96 inch from an 88 inch, so this will hold me for awhile. I see a 103 kit in my future though. I love my new scoot !!

Yes, I have had nothing but problems with my starters, been through 2 plus a starter clutch, finally had to have compression releases added.
Everything was taken care of on warranty because the stage 2 with 255 cams were added with the purchase of the bike. None of the warranty work was done at the shop of purchase. One starter was replaced by fox hd in Canada, one at Atlantic City Hd, and a starter clutch at space coast hd in FL

103 kit and warranty
 

IssoQuazzo
I downloaded the SE catalogue off the internet site. There is definitely crossed flags there as well as the stop hand and the stop light so I beg to differ with you
If you go to the HD site and download the catalogue you'll see what I mean.
On page 12 it shows the racing information guide along with an explanation of the icons. The crossed flag icon is one of them.
After looking hard at the catalog it seems that the SE Pro kits have the flags and not the standard kits. I will ask my dealer again tomorrow because I will be dropping my bike of for a 10K service. I want to get this straight in my own mind. If what they are telling me is wrong I will try and get a clarification.

I spent just under $2000 for the stage II installed.. got the kit from Chicago HD and had my dealer install then dyno tuned after 600 miles... Got 88.53 H.P and 103.44 Torque as you can see below

GScotty - What cams did you go with?

That is the SE 255 cams that the kit came with... Stock heads

Local dealership quoted me 2 grand for 103 big bore kit installed. Another 20 miles farther quoted me 1700.00. So like someone else posted, dependin on dealer. Id like to do it too, but its not in the cards as they say, er, money in my wallet. LOL. Actually wantin to do a 103 from HQ, but you know....

Ill bet you the std kits are about 9.2:1 and the pro kits are around 10.4:1. When you get over 10:1 depending on the cam you choose and clean up stock heads youll get well over 100hp and even more in torque and at a lower rpm,mine peaks out at 4200.
Has anyone thought about the 510 cams? Thats what I went with and no comp releases and I have never had any issues and I have almost 15k on it now.

Parts and labor special at Victor Ville Harley, $2000, does not enclude download, or your pipes, or the intake system of your choise, Too much for me at this time, Ha Ha,for a long time, .........................John

Well this could get very long. I found better service at an Indy and he is a far better tuner. I spent a bunch at HD going to stage one, and frankly it was not much better and not worth the money. We started talking 103 and by the time I got it to where I thought I'd be happy for at least a month it was about 2K... so I went to the Indy and he built a 107 for about a grand more... I guess if you ride someone's 103 for a bit and you like it... have at it. Good luck.

dang I don't want to drag my books out but for my bros
I will tell you just how much my SE build cost
se cvo 103 heads $ 1200.00 less 10% $1080.00
se 103+ pistons $ 279.95 less 10% $ 251.95
se 258 cam kit $ 299.95 less 10% $ 269.95
bore out my stock juggs $ 125.00
se quick instal push rods kit $ 139.95
se stage one air cleaner $ 139.95
8 hours labor "indy" $ 480.00
sert $ 459.95
adjust race tuner for upgrades $ 66.00 "dealership
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$ 3009.75

Total breakdown
 

Alright Apostle,

I signed the dotted line just this past Friday for the 103 build on my 2008 Road King, but I feel that if one is to have this done then it should be done completely and without cutting corners. I am going with the 204 cam and high output heads and the new ceramic black Rinehart true dual exhaust. After all is complete, the HP will be 110 and TQ will be 114. Without the HO heads the HP would be more like 94 with TQ below 100. I am getting a 20% discount on most of the parts (except the heads) as well as a marginal discount on some of the labor for total of around $4,600. Take away the Heads ($1,000) and you're at $3,600. Take away the Rinehart's ($1,100 approx) and you're at $2,500. I'll list my estimate breakdown:

- Gasket Kit, TC cyl Head $35.99
- 3.875" cylinder kit $239.99
- 1690 piston kit, FT std $139.99
- Cam cover gasket $3.99
- SE 204 cam kit $239.99
- sprocket retention kit $4.79
- SE Pro Super Tuner $367.99
- Diaphram Spring $23.99
- Filter Kit $151.99
- Break in on Dyno $320.00
- Dyno-tune super tuner $160.00
- Blend throttle body to Head $720.00
- Lite clutch kit 87-06 B.T. $19.99

That should help you see the break down minus the exhaust and heads

Thanks, all. It seems like I may want to sit a while. I was thinking I'd knock this out while she's "naked" for paint. Guess I was wrong ;)

Overdoo, I see where you're coming from. The problem is that you're looking at the Pro Racing catalog. If you look in the general catalog under the SE section, you'll find a bunch of upgrade kits that do not void your warranty. No crossed flags.

IzzoQuazzo
 

Your right I was looking at the pro Racing catalogue. My problem was the dealer was telling me the 103 kit was going to void the warranty like I said because of the crossed flags. This past weekend I dropped off my bike for the 10k service and really put it to them about this issue. It seems the only difference between the pro series 103 kit and the other is the addition of the SE air box and exhaust. All else is the same. We went round and round with this . I was about as close to a 103 kit as I had ever been. We even got to the point where they said they'd warranty it for me. I declined and went another route which I'l post on here after I have had the opportunity to see how it performs. Never the less glad we got this squared away.

103 kit and warranty
 

IzzoQuazzo
Your right I was looking at the pro Racing section in the catalog. My problem was the dealer was telling me the 103 kit was going to void the warranty like I said because of the crossed flags. This past weekend I dropped off my bike for the 10k service and really put it to them about this issue. It seems the only difference between the pro series 103 kit and the other 103 kit is the addition of the SE air box and exhaust. All else is the same. We went round and round with this . I was about as close to a 103 kit as I had ever been. We even got to the point where they said they'd warranty it for me. I declined and went another route which I'l post on here after I have had the opportunity to see how it performs. Never the less glad we got this squared away.

Look for what it's worth, I did not buy an extended warranty, which makes a big difference in terms of what you do, but I was not concerned about the warranty; rather, I was concerned about the quality of the components and the new build. I would seriously check out a good local shop who does builds outside the MOCO parts. You will likely get great results and if the shop is good they will warranty their product with bullet proof parts. I had a recall on my 08 after the build and HD fixed it no problem, because it was not an engine issue. I'm in the process of rebuilding the crank and replacing the cams. The parts will be far more reliable than the originals and warranteed again by the Indy. In my opinion the Touring bikes are pretty much bullet proof except for a possible weird deal, like the filter on the 08's.... Enjoy your bike and the build. This is great stuff! LOT's of options... Ride Safe.

No not a single problem and it runs real strong. Strong enough that when the wife is with me and I twist the throttle hard open I get in trouble because it whips her head back, hehehe cracks me up!! I am still running the down load though, I have heard that on some custom tunes if they dont get the timing curve right and its too advanced at starting when the engine is hot it cranks real hard.

I did a 107 and kept the compression at 10; not I'm going to change the cams and go to 10.5, but will use electric compression releases and a high powered starter.