HQ 107 advice
#21
08-28-2009, 04:43 AM
Or you could just try calling HQ.....
If you want to be insulted thats your perogative, im willing to except that perhaps I misunderstood your post. I even stated that in my own post, of course you didnt quote that part. A full blown port job is not necessary to set compression to desired levels, and strip the paint out. And like I said, HQ DOES THIS as part of their "PROFESSIONAL PORTING". This alone can be done for around $300 from most places. And set up by someone who knows what they are doing and the right cam, you will see a nice bump in performance. No magic tricks there. Im sure the OP will be happy with his package, and I never said anything to the contrary.
If I came across as being a little abrasive, or hurt someones feelings.
Well,
the internet is definatly not the place for thin skin.
If you want to be insulted thats your perogative, im willing to except that perhaps I misunderstood your post. I even stated that in my own post, of course you didnt quote that part. A full blown port job is not necessary to set compression to desired levels, and strip the paint out. And like I said, HQ DOES THIS as part of their "PROFESSIONAL PORTING". This alone can be done for around $300 from most places. And set up by someone who knows what they are doing and the right cam, you will see a nice bump in performance. No magic tricks there. Im sure the OP will be happy with his package, and I never said anything to the contrary.
If I came across as being a little abrasive, or hurt someones feelings.
Well,
the internet is definatly not the place for thin skin.You're arguing with an argument that didn't exist and I'd dare to say that you are arguing with someone who has forgotten more about setting up Harley engines than you know.....which kind of makes you look even more stupid.
But by all means, don't let that stop you from continuing because the internet is definitely the place for stupid.
#22
08-28-2009, 05:13 AM
Ultimate HDF Member
Okay I just did the HQ 107 and I am not happy. I had to leave the country for 3 weeks for work the day after the bike was finished and only put a 100+ miles on it, so not am I only not happy, I am pissed. Stuck in Dalian China tonight (Friday Night in China), I think I will go to a Russian rock club with a Fillipino band and drown my sorrows in Jin Tao beer.
On my little pre tune break in I got on it a little getting back on teh Fla Tpk and I swear it felt like the fron wheel came off the ground. I could have just imagined it, but it felt that way.
Ryan, relax man, nobody banging on BadBoyz, or any other supplier here, just giving advice and sharing experiences. Talking complete packages vs head work two different things.
On my little pre tune break in I got on it a little getting back on teh Fla Tpk and I swear it felt like the fron wheel came off the ground. I could have just imagined it, but it felt that way.
Ryan, relax man, nobody banging on BadBoyz, or any other supplier here, just giving advice and sharing experiences. Talking complete packages vs head work two different things.
#23
08-28-2009, 05:24 AM
You continue to not grasp the very basic concept that you are putting words in Phil's mouth. He never said you couldn't set compression levels without a full port job, he never said you couldn't strip paint out of heads without a professional port job and he never said that they couldn't be setup to match the right cam for less money.
He said butchers clean up heads, and they will be boat anchors if you allow them to do it. Its a big joke because HQ doesnt do it.
My bad. I will try to pay more attention in the future.
Like i said, mostly I think phils posts are very informative, but I absolutely disagree with the paragraph I quoted from his post.
#24
08-28-2009, 05:25 AM
Okay I just did the HQ 107 and I am not happy. I had to leave the country for 3 weeks for work the day after the bike was finished and only put a 100+ miles on it, so not am I only not happy, I am pissed. Stuck in Dalian China tonight (Friday Night in China), I think I will go to a Russian rock club with a Fillipino band and drown my sorrows in Jin Tao beer.
On my little pre tune break in I got on it a little getting back on teh Fla Tpk and I swear it felt like the fron wheel came off the ground. I could have just imagined it, but it felt that way.
Ryan, relax man, nobody banging on BadBoyz, or any other supplier here, just giving advice and sharing experiences. Talking complete packages vs head work two different things.
On my little pre tune break in I got on it a little getting back on teh Fla Tpk and I swear it felt like the fron wheel came off the ground. I could have just imagined it, but it felt that way.
Ryan, relax man, nobody banging on BadBoyz, or any other supplier here, just giving advice and sharing experiences. Talking complete packages vs head work two different things.
Glad to see an update on your build and that you are happy with the outcome, well mostly anyway
Im relaxed, I really dont care about bigboyz. Was just giving an example of a "Butcher" that cleans up heads. Phils words, not mine.
#25
08-28-2009, 06:14 AM
The butcher comment wasn't referring to someone who cleans up heads....the butcher was someone who spends an hour or two cleaning up ports and then tries to pretend they are offering ported heads.
A clean up job that takes a couple of hours might be a great "value" for some but if anyone mistakes that kind of head with a professionally ported head that has been ported, researched, tested, air bench tested, dyno tested and then refined to the point that the results can be consistently and repeatedly duplicated then they are kidding themselves.
Most "clean up" porters end up doing more harm than good. The heads are shiny from the stuff they ground off. They look "ported" to a dummy that doesn't know any better but in reality the port volume and velocity have been ruined and they often times will underperform even to a stock set of untouched heads.
A clean up job that takes a couple of hours might be a great "value" for some but if anyone mistakes that kind of head with a professionally ported head that has been ported, researched, tested, air bench tested, dyno tested and then refined to the point that the results can be consistently and repeatedly duplicated then they are kidding themselves.
Most "clean up" porters end up doing more harm than good. The heads are shiny from the stuff they ground off. They look "ported" to a dummy that doesn't know any better but in reality the port volume and velocity have been ruined and they often times will underperform even to a stock set of untouched heads.
#26
08-28-2009, 07:07 AM
I am only aware of two HQ builds that I've done experiencing crank issues and both were VERY aggressively riden. They were both 95ST's. One was an 05 and the other an 06 ~ which is odd since the general concensus is that 07 is when the stock cranks started getting weaker. Again... these two were ridden HARD for between 1 & 2 years each before the issue occurred. One is now an HQ103 & the other an HQ113.
#27
08-28-2009, 12:29 PM
Add me to the satisfied list of HQ users. Mines a 107ST, built by Phil, tuned by Ed Dahr, two of the very best in what they do. That has so much to do with it. My bike gets a steady 122ft/ftlb and 110 HP but really the important thing is that it runs like a stock motor when I want it to. Wonderful components and an absolute thrill to ride.
#28
08-28-2009, 03:04 PM
The butcher comment wasn't referring to someone who cleans up heads....the butcher was someone who spends an hour or two cleaning up ports and then tries to pretend they are offering ported heads.
A clean up job that takes a couple of hours might be a great "value" for some but if anyone mistakes that kind of head with a professionally ported head that has been ported, researched, tested, air bench tested, dyno tested and then refined to the point that the results can be consistently and repeatedly duplicated then they are kidding themselves.
Most "clean up" porters end up doing more harm than good. The heads are shiny from the stuff they ground off. They look "ported" to a dummy that doesn't know any better but in reality the port volume and velocity have been ruined and they often times will underperform even to a stock set of untouched heads.
A clean up job that takes a couple of hours might be a great "value" for some but if anyone mistakes that kind of head with a professionally ported head that has been ported, researched, tested, air bench tested, dyno tested and then refined to the point that the results can be consistently and repeatedly duplicated then they are kidding themselves.
Most "clean up" porters end up doing more harm than good. The heads are shiny from the stuff they ground off. They look "ported" to a dummy that doesn't know any better but in reality the port volume and velocity have been ruined and they often times will underperform even to a stock set of untouched heads.
Look forward to the OP posting about a positive outcome, and being as satisfied as some of the others that I continue to read about running HQ builds.
#29
08-28-2009, 03:14 PM
Tourer
#30
03-11-2010, 07:38 PM
Sign me up for the 107ST!