No comments on my 110 upgrade dilemma
#21
03-27-2017, 06:01 PM
Depends on the build. And also the real world results vs a dyno sheet. The M8 has a better torque curve - comes on much earlier. I can tell you having ridden the new bikes, that the new M8 bike would outrun my 96hp/114tq "107" Ultra as well as my very healthy 103 Rushmore SGS.
Three other things -
1. Throw similar $$ in mods at the new motor it will destroy the Twin Cam bike, so apples to apples.
2. The new crank can handle the power whereas I can speak from experience that the TC crank might not. Mine didn't, which equated into splitting the cases and welding the crank.
3. The 18s will be a lot more than just a better motor. Totally different bike from the 17.
If the OP has money to burn and loves the bike, go for it. Fuel Moto would be a good choice. But if he waits a little while, he can get a lot more bike. At a price of course. They ain't getting any cheaper, that's for sure.
Three other things -
1. Throw similar $$ in mods at the new motor it will destroy the Twin Cam bike, so apples to apples.
2. The new crank can handle the power whereas I can speak from experience that the TC crank might not. Mine didn't, which equated into splitting the cases and welding the crank.
3. The 18s will be a lot more than just a better motor. Totally different bike from the 17.
If the OP has money to burn and loves the bike, go for it. Fuel Moto would be a good choice. But if he waits a little while, he can get a lot more bike. At a price of course. They ain't getting any cheaper, that's for sure.
But the most compelling argument in my head says buy new bike
I just don't want to start over the rushmore's have dropped so much since the M8 came out trade in value is a joke IMO and there are so many for sale hard to sell one most people buy at the Dealer..
Lower end is a concern I have as well..i could just wait till the whole thing needs rebuilt then trade it in lol
warranty: never know which way the wind will blow I heard stories both ways
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#22
03-27-2017, 06:14 PM
my recommendation to you:
if you are going 110, don't do it. it is not worth the hassle for what you will get.
if you have extended warranty, they will fix is on the road as long as they cannot prove the parts installed caused the problem. How they fix it might not be HOW you want it fixed. If you want it fixed different, you will pay the additional.
Last, what are you trying to accomplish? a more powerful engine or keeping up with your friends, etc. These are all questions you should be asking yourself. if its just more POWER, go 107. you will get the same if not better results.
if its keeping up with your riding buddies, go 107, as you will lead not follow
if its being compliant with extended warranty, then go 110, as you will get less hassle with dealer installed parts, regardless of outcome.
most 110s I have seen are DOGS without some type of work. having owned a couple, they are good engines but do not make great power and are prone to being HOT and failure due to various over/under engineered issues.
Last, if you upgrade the engine, you need to think about the clutch, and other drive train components otherwise you are just creating problems.
A well performing engine will require upgraded driveline components to always perform well.
Once you add it all up, the potential is to upgrade your engine is now in the $5K range. You should also consider could you trade for much more and how much would that be?
lots to consider. I admit, I am not a fan of 110s. give me a 107 or a 120 any day, but keep the 110s to yourself.
if you are going 110, don't do it. it is not worth the hassle for what you will get.
if you have extended warranty, they will fix is on the road as long as they cannot prove the parts installed caused the problem. How they fix it might not be HOW you want it fixed. If you want it fixed different, you will pay the additional.
Last, what are you trying to accomplish? a more powerful engine or keeping up with your friends, etc. These are all questions you should be asking yourself. if its just more POWER, go 107. you will get the same if not better results.
if its keeping up with your riding buddies, go 107, as you will lead not follow
if its being compliant with extended warranty, then go 110, as you will get less hassle with dealer installed parts, regardless of outcome.
most 110s I have seen are DOGS without some type of work. having owned a couple, they are good engines but do not make great power and are prone to being HOT and failure due to various over/under engineered issues.
Last, if you upgrade the engine, you need to think about the clutch, and other drive train components otherwise you are just creating problems.
A well performing engine will require upgraded driveline components to always perform well.
Once you add it all up, the potential is to upgrade your engine is now in the $5K range. You should also consider could you trade for much more and how much would that be?
lots to consider. I admit, I am not a fan of 110s. give me a 107 or a 120 any day, but keep the 110s to yourself.
Dealer stated could not put a 120R in my bike because of the sensors for the twin cooling even thought about new ECM. but stated It's a no go..
I thought the 110 twin cooled were not prone to running that hot.
5k was my budget
just thought if i was going 107 might as well go 110.... it was either Harley 110 or Fuel Moto 110.. I was thinking 107 same price for the 110
I know save my money and buy a new bike in a couple years
#23
03-27-2017, 07:38 PM
Outstanding HDF Member
biggest issue on factory 110s, low compression and over heavy valve springs. along with heat.
if i were you, i would call jamie at fuel moto and ask his opinion. he obviously is in business to sell and install his parts, but i haven't seen him put selling parts in front of telling you a truthful opinion.
in addition you can always check with others like hillside, dragos, tman and full sac. all have products to sell, most have dealt with issue before and all are experienced.
you can get alot for 5k, just be thoughtful.
PS, i still would not go 110, 🖓
if i were you, i would call jamie at fuel moto and ask his opinion. he obviously is in business to sell and install his parts, but i haven't seen him put selling parts in front of telling you a truthful opinion.
in addition you can always check with others like hillside, dragos, tman and full sac. all have products to sell, most have dealt with issue before and all are experienced.
you can get alot for 5k, just be thoughtful.
PS, i still would not go 110, 🖓
Last edited by bigskyroadglide; 03-27-2017 at 07:41 PM.
#24
03-27-2017, 07:57 PM
Ultimate HDF Member
Depends on the build. And also the real world results vs a dyno sheet. The M8 has a better torque curve - comes on much earlier. I can tell you having ridden the new bikes, that the new M8 bike would outrun my 96hp/114tq "107" Ultra as well as my very healthy 103 Rushmore SGS.
You must have had a lackluster 107 if you think a stock M8 will out run it. I have ridden the M8 and it isn't even close to my 107. Sorry you had bad luck with your crank but if you talk with other builders including Jamie they will tell you that a spun crank is not the norm.
As far as costs goes you will lose way more on the trade than you will in the engine. If you spend smart you can get quite a bit for less than the OP is willing to spend.
Last edited by todd-67; 03-27-2017 at 07:59 PM.
#25
03-27-2017, 08:03 PM
Ultimate HDF Member
I do agree the OP should post in the engine section of this forum where the guys that build these engines every day and ask his questions there as well.
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