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Old 04-28-2015, 03:26 PM
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SE extra plate clutch and heavy duty diaphragm spring. Idle is around 1k RPM, clutch engagement is smooth and firm with no chatter. Shifting up and down is smooth with no issues. Recently inspected clutch hub, clutch plates, adjusted primary chain, adjusted clutch pushrod and cable to spec before replacing primary oil.

Problem is neutral is hard to find when it is running, shut it off and she goes right in there but if it is running it bounces between 1 and 2nd


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Unless you have somehow miraculously increased your clutch pushrod movement(you didn't), you have now added 1 more disc and plate that has to divide that movement up into separation, so you have lessened disc/plate separation by roughly 11%.
 
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Unless you have somehow miraculously increased your clutch pushrod movement(you didn't), you have now added 1 more disc and plate that has to divide that movement up into separation, so you have lessened disc/plate separation by roughly 11%.
You are basing that on the assumption that the friction plates and drive disks in the new kit are the same thickness as the OEM clutch parts...They are not.



OP: Make sure the primary is not overfilled.


 

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Check your chain tension. From your picture it looks too tight. Usually can see a little more droop in the chain. Pic's can be deceiving so i may be incorrect.
 
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Originally Posted by Dan89FLSTC
You are basing that on the assumption that the friction plates and drive disks in the new kit are the same thickness as the OEM clutch parts...They are not.



OP: Make sure the primary is not overfilled.


No I am not assuming that. The stack needs to be the same installed height. I am going by the same height and 1 more friction disc and 1 more steel. If the rod moves x and there is 1 more plate and steel then the separation is divided up more times so there has to be less separation between each disc/plate.
 
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Yes, you are going on the assumption that the plates and disks are the same thickness, but they are not.

The extra plate clutch has thinner plates.

It also eliminates the stock rivited spring plate.

The stack is the same height.
 
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I have the same problem with my +1 Alto Carbonite kit. When I come to a stop, I find it a bit easier(but still harder than before) to find neutral while slowing(still rolling) then when at a full stop. I am getting so close to buying a better clutch....
 
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Originally Posted by Dan89FLSTC
Yes, you are going on the assumption that the plates and disks are the same thickness, but they are not.

The extra plate clutch has thinner plates.

It also eliminates the stock rivited spring plate.

The stack is the same height.
Dude I am not going on the assumption that the plates are the same thickness. The plates are thinner and cannot be mixed with the std clutch. The stack is the same height as non extra plate. How can the extra plate clutch possibly have the same thickness plates and remain the same height? Answer: it can't. A 10 disc clutch wont separate the same as a 9 disc clutch with the same rod movement, period, end of story! I have explained this 2 other times and somehow it is not being understood, oh well......................
 
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You are right, I misread your first post.

Dude?
 
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Originally Posted by Dan89FLSTC
You are right, I misread your first post.

Dude?
I grew up at the beach, it's a habit that apparently also gets typed as well as spoken, lol.
 


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