Baker Attitude Adjuster with pics
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Baker Attitude Adjuster with pics - Updated with install pics
I removed the stock primary automatic chain tensioner in my 2010 Limited and replaced it with a Hayden tensioner a few thousand miles ago. The reason for removing the stock tensioner was more precautionary than immediate. The concern for the stock auto tensioner's over-tightening potential and contributing to eventual drivetrain bearing damage was the driving factor.
After installing the Hayden unit, the chain was very tight. The nested springs in the latest Hayden model were very stiff. There were a couple of pretty long threads on here discussing in detail some of the features of the Hayden unit. I will say that, in my personal opinion, the Hayden is built well and in many installations should serve as a reasonable replacement for the stock tensioner. However, the tension on my primary chain was not loosening at all over about 6000 miles of use, so I fell back to my original concern of an over-tight primary chain and contributory bearing damage. Although tempted, I was resistant to modifying the tensioner from Hayden. Some have experimented with the springs to modify the pressure the shoe exerts on the chain. Of course once you move away from stock on anything, we are pretty much on our own, so no disrespect to those that made modifications. It was simply a rabbit that I did not choose to chase.
In previous model years, HD used a manual adjuster for the primary chain tension. Baker offers a quality product that in principle is similar to the earlier HD manual tensioners. These tensioners are set to allow a certain amount of deflection in the primary chain, and it is recommended to check the tension adjustment on a 5000 mile interval.
I purchased the Baker and took a few photos of the packaging and the product. So here are a few of those pics.......
Here are the package contents:
A few shots at the shoe and mounting arm:
Installation was very straight forward and adjustment was easy. I probably have about 500 miles on it now and I feel confident about proper primary chain tension. I was impressed with the quality of the Baker unit. The cost of this unit is in the $200 range.
Here's a few photos of the baker after install:
Now having spent a few hundred bucks on this issue, I believe a proactive solution for those running the stock auto tensioner would be to visually check your primary chain tension on a standard interval and if it is too tight, manually adjust the stock tensioner back down the ramp. If repeated checks, say every 5000 miles, exhibits a very tight chain, then maybe a Hayden or a Baker would be a reasonable solution for your bike.
After installing the Hayden unit, the chain was very tight. The nested springs in the latest Hayden model were very stiff. There were a couple of pretty long threads on here discussing in detail some of the features of the Hayden unit. I will say that, in my personal opinion, the Hayden is built well and in many installations should serve as a reasonable replacement for the stock tensioner. However, the tension on my primary chain was not loosening at all over about 6000 miles of use, so I fell back to my original concern of an over-tight primary chain and contributory bearing damage. Although tempted, I was resistant to modifying the tensioner from Hayden. Some have experimented with the springs to modify the pressure the shoe exerts on the chain. Of course once you move away from stock on anything, we are pretty much on our own, so no disrespect to those that made modifications. It was simply a rabbit that I did not choose to chase.
In previous model years, HD used a manual adjuster for the primary chain tension. Baker offers a quality product that in principle is similar to the earlier HD manual tensioners. These tensioners are set to allow a certain amount of deflection in the primary chain, and it is recommended to check the tension adjustment on a 5000 mile interval.
I purchased the Baker and took a few photos of the packaging and the product. So here are a few of those pics.......
Here are the package contents:
A few shots at the shoe and mounting arm:
Installation was very straight forward and adjustment was easy. I probably have about 500 miles on it now and I feel confident about proper primary chain tension. I was impressed with the quality of the Baker unit. The cost of this unit is in the $200 range.
Here's a few photos of the baker after install:
Now having spent a few hundred bucks on this issue, I believe a proactive solution for those running the stock auto tensioner would be to visually check your primary chain tension on a standard interval and if it is too tight, manually adjust the stock tensioner back down the ramp. If repeated checks, say every 5000 miles, exhibits a very tight chain, then maybe a Hayden or a Baker would be a reasonable solution for your bike.
Last edited by Lowcountry Joe; 01-01-2014 at 04:26 PM. Reason: added some photos of the installation
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To be fair, not everyone with the stock auto adjuster has issues with over tightening. But, enough do to make it something to at least keep an eye on and that will of course involve removing the primary cover since HD scrapped the cover with the check window.
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I agree the old manual adjuster is the way to go and once it has a few 1000 miles on it actually requires little adjustment, if any. It is a little noisy however. However before you condemn the auto one, you need to realize that the last 3/8" of movement in the chain play is taken up by that short heavy springs (there is two of them in the top left of my attachment one behind the one you see) in the wedge. You have to push the chain rather firmly to see all the chain free play. They do seem to limit the total free play to the very minimum of what Harley calls for on the manual adjuster. If you have an uneven worn chain that has a little difference in the pitch lengths or a little run out, it can self adjust itself in the loose area and get very close to being tight in other areas and causing wear. The last sentence is why I condemn it.
Last edited by Jackie Paper; 09-14-2018 at 11:06 AM.
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I agree the old manual adjuster is the way to go and once it has a few 1000 miles on it actually requires little adjustment, if any. It is a little noisy however. However before you condemn the auto one, you need to realize that the last 3/8" of movement in the chain play is taken up by that short heavy springs (there is two of them in the top left of my attachment one behind the one you see) in the wedge. You have to push the chain rather firmly to see all the chain free play. They do seem to limit the total free play to the very minimum of what Harley calls for on the manual adjuster. If you have an uneven worn chain that has a little difference in the pitch lengths or a little run out, it can self adjust itself in the loose area and get very close to being tight in other areas and causing wear. The last sentence is why I condemn it.
Last edited by Lowcountry Joe; 11-24-2013 at 09:32 AM.
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After going through my process of trying all three, I would say that as long as you pop off the primary from time to time (at least every 10K) and check the tightness of the chain, you may be just fine with the stock tensioner.
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I can see it is nice being able to adjust the chain tension perfectly but losing the shock absorbing springs seems a step back. In the Hayden video(I am sure you have seen it) there does seem to be a lot of whip on the chain and and the springs look to handle it pretty well and the cam chains have shock absorbers too... just thinking "outloud".