New to touring bikes - 3 hole oil change due
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It would be nice if you all would share your oil information without calling products "snake oil" when the product is clearly not snake oil, but a quality product that typically works better than most other products.
The type of oil that is used in any application will affect the operation of the device for better or worse. All oils are not equal even though they all will work.
The type of oil that is used in any application will affect the operation of the device for better or worse. All oils are not equal even though they all will work.
You will find a ton of information on oils there.
I don't use Amsoil, but it most certainly isn't snake oil. It is a legitimate group IV synthetic (just as Mobile 1 and many others are). I use Redline myself, which is a group V synthetic.
It may be the pricing on the products or how their sold that upsets some, but they are in no way snake oils.
It's not easy to determine if one product works "better" than another- whatever "better" means. To truly determine something like that would require a large amount of very expensive tests.
It is possibly true that some oils prevent internal wear better than others, or that some filters filter "Better" again whatever that means, it's all academic.
I'm more interested in someone pointing out a non brand name low quality oil. Because we're all supposed to use a brand name high quality product.
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If you REALLY want to deep dive into the "my oil is better than your oil, and I'll be all butthurt if you disagree with me" territory go check out www.bobistheoilguy.com
You will find a ton of information on oils there.
I don't use Amsoil, but it most certainly isn't snake oil. It is a legitimate group IV synthetic (just as Mobile 1 and many others are). I use Redline myself, which is a group V synthetic.
It may be the pricing on the products or how their sold that upsets some, but they are in no way snake oils.
It's not easy to determine if one product works "better" than another- whatever "better" means. To truly determine something like that would require a large amount of very expensive tests.
It is possibly true that some oils prevent internal wear better than others, or that some filters filter "Better" again whatever that means, it's all academic.
I'm more interested in someone pointing out a non brand name low quality oil. Because we're all supposed to use a brand name high quality product.
You will find a ton of information on oils there.
I don't use Amsoil, but it most certainly isn't snake oil. It is a legitimate group IV synthetic (just as Mobile 1 and many others are). I use Redline myself, which is a group V synthetic.
It may be the pricing on the products or how their sold that upsets some, but they are in no way snake oils.
It's not easy to determine if one product works "better" than another- whatever "better" means. To truly determine something like that would require a large amount of very expensive tests.
It is possibly true that some oils prevent internal wear better than others, or that some filters filter "Better" again whatever that means, it's all academic.
I'm more interested in someone pointing out a non brand name low quality oil. Because we're all supposed to use a brand name high quality product.
We have worked with Harley owners, even several on this community, to develop Ester-based (Group V) synthetic products for all three holes that improve cooling and hard shifts on cold starts and during riding. More info in the HDForums oil basics sticky about the different qualities of oils and how to determine which product is a true synthetic.
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Viscosity is temperature dependent and oils are spec'd between 100 deg. C and 40 deg. C. It is when ambient temperatures fall below the 40 deg. C range that synthetics provide a huge benefit. As ambient temps continue to drop, the (thickening) viscosity differences between synthetic and dino oils continues to widen. On cold start mornings your synthetic supplied engine becomes properly lubricated measurably sooner than it would if it had a dino oil in it. Over the years and hundreds or thousands of cold starts, this has got to make a difference IMHO. I'm in Canada so ,,,,,, !!
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Viscosity is temperature dependent and oils are spec'd between 100 deg. C and 40 deg. C. It is when ambient temperatures fall below the 40 deg. C range that synthetics provide a huge benefit. As ambient temps continue to drop, the (thickening) viscosity differences between synthetic and dino oils continues to widen. On cold start mornings your synthetic supplied engine becomes properly lubricated measurably sooner than it would if it had a dino oil in it. Over the years and hundreds or thousands of cold starts, this has got to make a difference IMHO. I'm in Canada so ,,,,,, !!
Once I had that oil in the engine, it cranked right over and easily started. Even at -30F it would start, when most of the other cars in the parking lot wouldn't. The crappy engine on that car consumed a quart every few weeks, so I had to keep adding more at then $5 per quart- but so totally worth it to be able to start the damned car.
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