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Joined: Jan 2005
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From: Lake Orion, MI
Ken - you mentioned you have the GTS. That said, are you using the HD app on your phone and on the Boom?
I have found that if I use the feature of sending the route to my radio, it really follows the route I planned. Just make sure you have sufficient waypoints to complete your route.
To do this, I usually enter my starting point and ending point. Then, I use the drag route feature to complete my route. Doing this seems to add a waypoint. Any this waypoint just notifies you when you get there - you don't have to skip that waypoint.
Next, you mentioned several days travelling. Just as a FYI, when I do routes, all are done by the day. So, if I am going for 5 days, I have 5 separate routes. This way, I have found that as I ride that day, the GPS continues to properly route me to my first day's travel. Then, the next day, I can start again.
Goot luck and continue to share you finding so we can all learn here.
I have found that if I use the feature of sending the route to my radio, it really follows the route I planned. Just make sure you have sufficient waypoints to complete your route.
To do this, I usually enter my starting point and ending point. Then, I use the drag route feature to complete my route. Doing this seems to add a waypoint. Any this waypoint just notifies you when you get there - you don't have to skip that waypoint.
Next, you mentioned several days travelling. Just as a FYI, when I do routes, all are done by the day. So, if I am going for 5 days, I have 5 separate routes. This way, I have found that as I ride that day, the GPS continues to properly route me to my first day's travel. Then, the next day, I can start again.
Goot luck and continue to share you finding so we can all learn here.
Cruiser
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 209
Likes: 34
From: Dallas, Texas
Can't trust the BoomBox for reliable navigation.
The Boom inserts little detours into routes that disrupt trips. If you don't take 'em, it wants you to turn around and go back.
8 day Sedona trip last week. BoomBox programmed for all seven days. We camped at the Cave Springs campground on US89A.
Each day trip north to Flagstaff, Grand Canyon, Interstate 40 (three day trips north during our stay), the BoomBox inserted a little side detour just prior to reaching Interstate 40. Same side trip for each day . . . NOT IN THE SOURCE ROUTING! There was no waypoint in the source.
OK, it was easy enough to recognize while riding and bypass. But at the next traffic circle about a half mile on, the BoomBox directed us to take Exit 4 in the circle. Guess what . . . Exit #4 took us around the circle as if a U turn to go back to the detour Waypoint we missed.
Never being in that area, I led the group around the circle, counting exits past #2, the exiting onto which we should have been routed. No choice but to go past #3 and past #4 to begin another lap around the traffic circle. It caused a traffic situation for us and other vehicles trying to enter the traffic circle as we went round and round.
This was not the only instance on the trip where the BoomBox invented waypoints off track that had to be "Skipped". It's a huge flaw in the BoomBox, one that Harley Davidson has no interest in fixing.
Ken
The Boom inserts little detours into routes that disrupt trips. If you don't take 'em, it wants you to turn around and go back.
8 day Sedona trip last week. BoomBox programmed for all seven days. We camped at the Cave Springs campground on US89A.
Each day trip north to Flagstaff, Grand Canyon, Interstate 40 (three day trips north during our stay), the BoomBox inserted a little side detour just prior to reaching Interstate 40. Same side trip for each day . . . NOT IN THE SOURCE ROUTING! There was no waypoint in the source.
OK, it was easy enough to recognize while riding and bypass. But at the next traffic circle about a half mile on, the BoomBox directed us to take Exit 4 in the circle. Guess what . . . Exit #4 took us around the circle as if a U turn to go back to the detour Waypoint we missed.
Never being in that area, I led the group around the circle, counting exits past #2, the exiting onto which we should have been routed. No choice but to go past #3 and past #4 to begin another lap around the traffic circle. It caused a traffic situation for us and other vehicles trying to enter the traffic circle as we went round and round.
This was not the only instance on the trip where the BoomBox invented waypoints off track that had to be "Skipped". It's a huge flaw in the BoomBox, one that Harley Davidson has no interest in fixing.
Ken
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Joined: Sep 2012
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From: Tampa, FL
Ken,
in my experience the Boom will not insert waypoints by itself. Waypoints are created during the process of building the route with HD Route Planner, Basecamo, MyRouteApp, etc and then uploaded with the GPX to the Boom.
If the starting point is not crossed when the ride begins you will get rerouted back to cross that starting point. A good habit is to set the start point not at the street address of the location but a block or so after exiting. Use the address to build and then move it before the final save. Also putting a waypoint a block or so after a turn will tell the Boom to take you to that intersection first. If waypoints are place this way on the route and there is not another route that will take you to them then any device reading the GPX will follow the same route. You’re basically overriding the machine route calculation algorithm and telling it to do a specific path.
I have built hundreds of routes like this and the files have been used with Boom, Garmin, TomTom, and more successfully. One issue with the Boom is that age/quality of the maps. If the road exists but the Boom doesn’t know about it the system will try to route you via a road it knows about, in those situations I just ignore the Boom until it’s map gets back to a road it know about.
in my experience the Boom will not insert waypoints by itself. Waypoints are created during the process of building the route with HD Route Planner, Basecamo, MyRouteApp, etc and then uploaded with the GPX to the Boom.
If the starting point is not crossed when the ride begins you will get rerouted back to cross that starting point. A good habit is to set the start point not at the street address of the location but a block or so after exiting. Use the address to build and then move it before the final save. Also putting a waypoint a block or so after a turn will tell the Boom to take you to that intersection first. If waypoints are place this way on the route and there is not another route that will take you to them then any device reading the GPX will follow the same route. You’re basically overriding the machine route calculation algorithm and telling it to do a specific path.
I have built hundreds of routes like this and the files have been used with Boom, Garmin, TomTom, and more successfully. One issue with the Boom is that age/quality of the maps. If the road exists but the Boom doesn’t know about it the system will try to route you via a road it knows about, in those situations I just ignore the Boom until it’s map gets back to a road it know about.
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,839
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From: Lake Orion, MI
Ken - I totally agree with Larry here. Lately, my Boom Box experience has been great. As mentioned, i think it has something to do with my using the HD app function.
In the past, my system use to try to make me go back to a skipped waypoint. This might also happen if the waypoint was a little off the road and I did not go there. Now, the system just tells me that they waypoint is coming up on the right or left - if does not make me go there.
In addition, if I wanted to pass that waypoint, I used to go to skip waypoint. For some reason, I no longer have to do that. My bike is a 2021 - and the only thing I did that might have made this better is to update the Boom Box software. Since then, I seem to be having a bit of success.
Ken, did you try the suggestion of creating the starting point and ending point - then using the drag feature to change your route?
In the past, my system use to try to make me go back to a skipped waypoint. This might also happen if the waypoint was a little off the road and I did not go there. Now, the system just tells me that they waypoint is coming up on the right or left - if does not make me go there.
In addition, if I wanted to pass that waypoint, I used to go to skip waypoint. For some reason, I no longer have to do that. My bike is a 2021 - and the only thing I did that might have made this better is to update the Boom Box software. Since then, I seem to be having a bit of success.
Ken, did you try the suggestion of creating the starting point and ending point - then using the drag feature to change your route?
Cruiser
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 209
Likes: 34
From: Dallas, Texas
Ken,
in my experience the Boom will not insert waypoints by itself. Waypoints are created during the process of building the route with HD Route Planner, Basecamo, MyRouteApp, etc and then uploaded with the GPX to the Boom.
If the starting point is not crossed when the ride begins you will get rerouted back to cross that starting point. A good habit is to set the start point not at the street address of the location but a block or so after exiting. Use the address to build and then move it before the final save. Also putting a waypoint a block or so after a turn will tell the Boom to take you to that intersection first. If waypoints are place this way on the route and there is not another route that will take you to them then any device reading the GPX will follow the same route. You’re basically overriding the machine route calculation algorithm and telling it to do a specific path.
I have built hundreds of routes like this and the files have been used with Boom, Garmin, TomTom, and more successfully. One issue with the Boom is that age/quality of the maps. If the road exists but the Boom doesn’t know about it the system will try to route you via a road it knows about, in those situations I just ignore the Boom until it’s map gets back to a road it know about.
in my experience the Boom will not insert waypoints by itself. Waypoints are created during the process of building the route with HD Route Planner, Basecamo, MyRouteApp, etc and then uploaded with the GPX to the Boom.
If the starting point is not crossed when the ride begins you will get rerouted back to cross that starting point. A good habit is to set the start point not at the street address of the location but a block or so after exiting. Use the address to build and then move it before the final save. Also putting a waypoint a block or so after a turn will tell the Boom to take you to that intersection first. If waypoints are place this way on the route and there is not another route that will take you to them then any device reading the GPX will follow the same route. You’re basically overriding the machine route calculation algorithm and telling it to do a specific path.
I have built hundreds of routes like this and the files have been used with Boom, Garmin, TomTom, and more successfully. One issue with the Boom is that age/quality of the maps. If the road exists but the Boom doesn’t know about it the system will try to route you via a road it knows about, in those situations I just ignore the Boom until it’s map gets back to a road it know about.
One place is the Sonic Restaurant in Childress, Texas. It's our traditional lunch spot after leaving DFW at 7:30 AM. The Boom route is flawless to that point. But when it's time to leave, it routes me to a parking lot across the street before getting back on 287. It does that EVERY time we go that way.
Another place is on 89A from Sedona to Flagstaff. We took that route three times last week, each time was a different route. In the source, it was perfect. But the BoomBox reliably wanted me to lead the group off 89A and take the little side road off the highway, make several turns, and then come back to 89A. In those cases, it did indeed try to route me back to the missed path that it created by itself.
There are several other places in our 3,000 mile trip that ended last week where the Boom wanted to guide us off the highway to take an unwanted side trip. On a couple of occasions, I led our group onto the unwanted side trip. (didn't know the area)
We're leaving in 3 weeks on a 5,000+ mile trip from DFW to Mount Rainier, down the PCH, across to Lake Tahoe, and then several other places before entering back into Texas. Two of us have taken the responsibility of creating the BoomBox routing. We've worked for several hours over the phone while trying different ways of creating the Boom routing. His and my Booms agree with each other about 95 percent of the time. Neither can be termed "right" or "reliable".
To be fair, his Boom has a newer firmware revision than mine. (not maps, but the operations firmware). I can't update mine again because my firmware has an option for "no microphone" so that CarPlay will work without a WHIM or a Harley Microphone plugged in. He has a WHIM and uses it with his branded Sena headset. The newer revisions don't have that option. So without a WHIM or Harley microphone, I'd lose my CarPlay. I watched the tech update mine with the Digital Tech and watched him select the "no microphone" option. But that's a different topic for a different time.
Cruiser
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 209
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From: Dallas, Texas
The only way I can use the HD Ride Planner is to create a totally separate route for each day. If I import a multi-day trip into the Ride Planner, it lumps all the days into one big day. That really isn't acceptable for several reasons.
I prefer Furkot for route planning. It creates day-by-day routing. I can either import directly from a Furkot route; or export to MapSource or BaseCamp, inspect the route on my computer and confirm that it's perfect, and then export from Garmin to a USB memory and import into the BoomBox. Either way (direct from Furkot or via a Garmin program), the route appears perfect on the screen; but the Boom changes it!
And as I said before, if I try to import into and use RidePlanner, it lumps all the days into one big route.
I don't know why yours ignores missed waypoints. You're the first I've heard that has that experience. Everyone else's Booms that I know of does what mine does. When I see the time to destination getting later and later instead of sooner and sooner, I know that it's trying to route me back. It's pretty reliable in that.
Ken
I prefer Furkot for route planning. It creates day-by-day routing. I can either import directly from a Furkot route; or export to MapSource or BaseCamp, inspect the route on my computer and confirm that it's perfect, and then export from Garmin to a USB memory and import into the BoomBox. Either way (direct from Furkot or via a Garmin program), the route appears perfect on the screen; but the Boom changes it!
And as I said before, if I try to import into and use RidePlanner, it lumps all the days into one big route.
I don't know why yours ignores missed waypoints. You're the first I've heard that has that experience. Everyone else's Booms that I know of does what mine does. When I see the time to destination getting later and later instead of sooner and sooner, I know that it's trying to route me back. It's pretty reliable in that.
Ken
Ken - I totally agree with Larry here. Lately, my Boom Box experience has been great. As mentioned, i think it has something to do with my using the HD app function.
In the past, my system use to try to make me go back to a skipped waypoint. This might also happen if the waypoint was a little off the road and I did not go there. Now, the system just tells me that they waypoint is coming up on the right or left - if does not make me go there.
In addition, if I wanted to pass that waypoint, I used to go to skip waypoint. For some reason, I no longer have to do that. My bike is a 2021 - and the only thing I did that might have made this better is to update the Boom Box software. Since then, I seem to be having a bit of success.
Ken, did you try the suggestion of creating the starting point and ending point - then using the drag feature to change your route?
In the past, my system use to try to make me go back to a skipped waypoint. This might also happen if the waypoint was a little off the road and I did not go there. Now, the system just tells me that they waypoint is coming up on the right or left - if does not make me go there.
In addition, if I wanted to pass that waypoint, I used to go to skip waypoint. For some reason, I no longer have to do that. My bike is a 2021 - and the only thing I did that might have made this better is to update the Boom Box software. Since then, I seem to be having a bit of success.
Ken, did you try the suggestion of creating the starting point and ending point - then using the drag feature to change your route?
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,839
Likes: 2,485
From: Lake Orion, MI
The only way I can use the HD Ride Planner is to create a totally separate route for each day. If I import a multi-day trip into the Ride Planner, it lumps all the days into one big day. That really isn't acceptable for several reasons.
I prefer Furkot for route planning. It creates day-by-day routing. I can either import directly from a Furkot route; or export to MapSource or BaseCamp, inspect the route on my computer and confirm that it's perfect, and then export from Garmin to a USB memory and import into the BoomBox. Either way (direct from Furkot or via a Garmin program), the route appears perfect on the screen; but the Boom changes it!
And as I said before, if I try to import into and use RidePlanner, it lumps all the days into one big route.
I don't know why yours ignores missed waypoints. You're the first I've heard that has that experience. Everyone else's Booms that I know of does what mine does. When I see the time to destination getting later and later instead of sooner and sooner, I know that it's trying to route me back. It's pretty reliable in that.
Ken
I prefer Furkot for route planning. It creates day-by-day routing. I can either import directly from a Furkot route; or export to MapSource or BaseCamp, inspect the route on my computer and confirm that it's perfect, and then export from Garmin to a USB memory and import into the BoomBox. Either way (direct from Furkot or via a Garmin program), the route appears perfect on the screen; but the Boom changes it!
And as I said before, if I try to import into and use RidePlanner, it lumps all the days into one big route.
I don't know why yours ignores missed waypoints. You're the first I've heard that has that experience. Everyone else's Booms that I know of does what mine does. When I see the time to destination getting later and later instead of sooner and sooner, I know that it's trying to route me back. It's pretty reliable in that.
Ken
Waypoints - to be clearer, it does not ignore waypoints - it simply tells me that a waypoint is coming up on the left or right. I can see the circle on my map where the waypoint is. I no longer have to hit the skip waypoint feature - rather, I just keep going.
Here is a suggestion since you have a few days before you leave. G to the Harley site, ride planner. Create a new route. Start at your home address and maybe pick a destination 5 or so miles away. Let RP chose the route.
Now, look at that route and drag some place in the middle of that route to a different travel route. This will create a waypoint for you. Just for fun, drag another one. When done, please save that route.
Now, go to your bike- turn it on. Open the HD app on your phone. You should see the route you just created. Send that to your bike. Bike should see it - go ahead to view and accept.
Click go and take that ride. What I think you will find is the route will take you as calculated plus, as you near the waypoint, it will announce that - but, you just keep going. Hopefully it works for you too. If it does, then maybe all of us can continue to learn something.
PS - please make sure you have the latest software on your bike - seems that this is what made mine changed.
Cruiser
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 209
Likes: 34
From: Dallas, Texas
Sir - I suspect you are correct about lumping the days. When I do multi days ride, I normally map one day at a time.
Waypoints - to be clearer, it does not ignore waypoints - it simply tells me that a waypoint is coming up on the left or right. I can see the circle on my map where the waypoint is. I no longer have to hit the skip waypoint feature - rather, I just keep going.
Here is a suggestion since you have a few days before you leave. G to the Harley site, ride planner. Create a new route. Start at your home address and maybe pick a destination 5 or so miles away. Let RP chose the route.
Now, look at that route and drag some place in the middle of that route to a different travel route. This will create a waypoint for you. Just for fun, drag another one. When done, please save that route.
Now, go to your bike- turn it on. Open the HD app on your phone. You should see the route you just created. Send that to your bike. Bike should see it - go ahead to view and accept.
Click go and take that ride. What I think you will find is the route will take you as calculated plus, as you near the waypoint, it will announce that - but, you just keep going. Hopefully it works for you too. If it does, then maybe all of us can continue to learn something.
PS - please make sure you have the latest software on your bike - seems that this is what made mine changed.
Waypoints - to be clearer, it does not ignore waypoints - it simply tells me that a waypoint is coming up on the left or right. I can see the circle on my map where the waypoint is. I no longer have to hit the skip waypoint feature - rather, I just keep going.
Here is a suggestion since you have a few days before you leave. G to the Harley site, ride planner. Create a new route. Start at your home address and maybe pick a destination 5 or so miles away. Let RP chose the route.
Now, look at that route and drag some place in the middle of that route to a different travel route. This will create a waypoint for you. Just for fun, drag another one. When done, please save that route.
Now, go to your bike- turn it on. Open the HD app on your phone. You should see the route you just created. Send that to your bike. Bike should see it - go ahead to view and accept.
Click go and take that ride. What I think you will find is the route will take you as calculated plus, as you near the waypoint, it will announce that - but, you just keep going. Hopefully it works for you too. If it does, then maybe all of us can continue to learn something.
PS - please make sure you have the latest software on your bike - seems that this is what made mine changed.
I'm going to go ahead and update my BoomBox today; and just deal with the issues with CarPlay that it might cause since I don't have my WHIM or a Harley microphone plugged in. I understand that it's a simple jumper between two pins and the Boom will think there's a microphone. I need to look that up.
Cruiser
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 209
Likes: 34
From: Dallas, Texas
OK. Reporting in!
I have updated my BoomBox to the latest software revision. And guess what! My CarPLay still works! I was totally expecting to need to piddle with a jumper to fake out the Boom that a microphone was connected.
Apparently, the Microphone, Headset Communicator, or No Microphone setting is deeper into the firmware than the software updates. I'm happy to be on the latest Rev now. Very happy. And I'll tell you why:
cycle7447, you said that yours hasn't tried to route you back to missed waypoints. Well, sure enough, that's in the description!
I'm hopeful that the most serious issues that we've had in our group are addressed by this.
And Thank You, Harley Davidson, for working to take care of reported issues. My bad for not at least TRYING to update the software.
Ken
I have updated my BoomBox to the latest software revision. And guess what! My CarPLay still works! I was totally expecting to need to piddle with a jumper to fake out the Boom that a microphone was connected.
Apparently, the Microphone, Headset Communicator, or No Microphone setting is deeper into the firmware than the software updates. I'm happy to be on the latest Rev now. Very happy. And I'll tell you why:
cycle7447, you said that yours hasn't tried to route you back to missed waypoints. Well, sure enough, that's in the description!
I'm hopeful that the most serious issues that we've had in our group are addressed by this.
And Thank You, Harley Davidson, for working to take care of reported issues. My bad for not at least TRYING to update the software.
- Next Street displays Waypoint even after passing it
- Next maneuver off after riding avoided segment
- Prompt states wrong side of road when reaching waypoint
- NAV prompts only working sometimes
- Total time wing doesn`t reset when reaching destination
- Passed waypoint still shows in next turn list
- Rural highways in USA repeatedly prompt user to "keep left" at highway exits
Ken
Seasoned HDF Member
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,839
Likes: 2,485
From: Lake Orion, MI
OK. Reporting in!
I have updated my BoomBox to the latest software revision. And guess what! My CarPLay still works! I was totally expecting to need to piddle with a jumper to fake out the Boom that a microphone was connected.
Apparently, the Microphone, Headset Communicator, or No Microphone setting is deeper into the firmware than the software updates. I'm happy to be on the latest Rev now. Very happy. And I'll tell you why:
cycle7447, you said that yours hasn't tried to route you back to missed waypoints. Well, sure enough, that's in the description!
I'm hopeful that the most serious issues that we've had in our group are addressed by this.
And Thank You, Harley Davidson, for working to take care of reported issues. My bad for not at least TRYING to update the software.
Ken
I have updated my BoomBox to the latest software revision. And guess what! My CarPLay still works! I was totally expecting to need to piddle with a jumper to fake out the Boom that a microphone was connected.
Apparently, the Microphone, Headset Communicator, or No Microphone setting is deeper into the firmware than the software updates. I'm happy to be on the latest Rev now. Very happy. And I'll tell you why:
cycle7447, you said that yours hasn't tried to route you back to missed waypoints. Well, sure enough, that's in the description!
I'm hopeful that the most serious issues that we've had in our group are addressed by this.
And Thank You, Harley Davidson, for working to take care of reported issues. My bad for not at least TRYING to update the software.
- Next Street displays Waypoint even after passing it
- Next maneuver off after riding avoided segment
- Prompt states wrong side of road when reaching waypoint
- NAV prompts only working sometimes
- Total time wing doesn`t reset when reaching destination
- Passed waypoint still shows in next turn list
- Rural highways in USA repeatedly prompt user to "keep left" at highway exits
Ken
So, it sounds like your waypoint issue has been resolved. Like you, I was pleasantly surprised when the update fixed that for me. As I mentioned, please use the send to bike feature from the HD app. I think you will find that very helpful.
I am leading a ride to Gettysburg in August (HOG Rally), I built my route on RP and have a number of waypoints. About two weeks ago, I rode to a rally in Virginia. The first 200 miles or so was the same route that I am taking to Gettysburg - so, I decided to see how it worked. Gess what - worked perfectly and stayed with the waypoints.
Please do keep u updated - this is how we can all learn. Play with it a little before your trip in July; I ploted a few 10 - 15 miles trips on some back roads. This will help you get ready.
Good luck