Im curious 114 ci crate engine
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From: Hurdle Mills NC
Im curious 114 ci crate engine
I was reading a few posts. Saw a few on stages ... It made me look at the cost of the various stages .. Im really just curious if a complete 114 ci crate engine would be cheaper thaN doing the upgrades ..
So what does the complete 114 ci cost compared to a run from 107 to stage 4. The dealerships around here are at 120 an hour.
So what does the complete 114 ci cost compared to a run from 107 to stage 4. The dealerships around here are at 120 an hour.
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If you are looking from a performance stand point doing the 107/114 stage 3 or 4 upgrade will give you much better performance than a crate 114. With the 114 crate motor you would still need to do at least stage 1. Also shop around the dealership in Raleigh is offering 15% off parts and labor on all stage upgrades plus the dyno tune for $150. If I were looking for performance that is the route I would go. Ragin Bull in Durham does a lot of performance upgrades as well. I would talk with each of these dealers and make my decision from there.
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Dunno. Crate engine PLUS selling your old 107 might be more cost efficient than upgrading your current engine. It certainly works that way for the pre-M8 engines if you already have a solid engine.
That said, right now, most of the 107 engines are still under warranty, so what market is there for the used engine? Very little, I'd imagine.
That said, right now, most of the 107 engines are still under warranty, so what market is there for the used engine? Very little, I'd imagine.
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Not sure on cheaper but I think so. The stage 3 is about $1,700 and the stage 4 about $2,500 before the discount. Then you can figure about 10 - 12hrs labor so another $1,000. You will need exhaust, tuner and and air cleaner if you have not already upgraded them. All in somewhere between $3.5k and $4.5k depending on the stage. My guess is a crate motor will be $4,5k or more. The TC crate motor is $4.5k and I would think the M8 would exceed that. Also there is a BIG difference in a crate motor and a stage kit. If you are looking for performance go with the stage kit. Higher compression, different cam, stronger clutch spring. If you get the crate motor you really haven’t changed anything other than the CI. I would stop by your local dealer and get some insight. Not sure which dealer you use but you’re not to far from me and there are several good dealers around.
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I wouldn't upgrade until I was out of Oem warranty. Really just curious about the costs. Maybe after I get her paid off.
I don't use the dealerships unless I absolutely have to. In the case of an engine upgrade I would use Tobacco road. Other than that .. Widow maker is my guy. 52 and hour and capable.
I don't use the dealerships unless I absolutely have to. In the case of an engine upgrade I would use Tobacco road. Other than that .. Widow maker is my guy. 52 and hour and capable.
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If you have not done so, check out this video re: zippers performance and red shift cams:
I am going to do this to my Deluxe along with a 2-1 exhaust system, screaming eagle ventilator air cleaner and PV-2 tuner before springtime is here. Taking a chance with warranty, but I think this combo will smoke a stock 114 per the video link above.
Isn't performance what its all about?
Isn't performance what its all about?
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Why didn't you just buy a 114 bike to begin with?
On a stock Heritage the 107 produces 109 foot pounds of torque
The 114" version of the same bike produces 119 foot pounds of torque
Swapping an engine, especially with all the electronics on these new bikes is labor intensive, meaning expect to pay quite a bit of money unless you do it yourself.
And then, according your vin your bike is still 107 when it comes time to trade it in or somebody to borrow money to buy it from you.
Ten foot pounds of torque? Way too much effort for such a small gain.
It might even be cheaper to trade in your bike.
On a stock Heritage the 107 produces 109 foot pounds of torque
The 114" version of the same bike produces 119 foot pounds of torque
Swapping an engine, especially with all the electronics on these new bikes is labor intensive, meaning expect to pay quite a bit of money unless you do it yourself.
And then, according your vin your bike is still 107 when it comes time to trade it in or somebody to borrow money to buy it from you.
Ten foot pounds of torque? Way too much effort for such a small gain.
It might even be cheaper to trade in your bike.
Last edited by Prot; Jan 21, 2019 at 11:59 AM.