Hydraulic Lifter Question
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Hydraulic Lifter Question
2009 FXDF with 35K on the clock
I'm starting to hear some LOUDER ticking from the engine than what seems normal to me. Sounds like a lifter going flat maybe.
Pull the top end off, heads look good, pistons are super clean, and even still see some honing scoring marks in the cylinders.
But, I'm chasing what I think is lifter noise, so pull the lifters, they look good, no scoring on the sides, no flat spots on the rollers.
The service manual (2009 Dyna Service) Pg: 3-60 Item #5 under Cleaning and Inspection says:
"Inspect the lifter socket for signs of wear. Verify that the plunger of the hydraulic lifter is fully extended up against the C-clip. Use index finger to pump plunger to verify lifter operation."
The sockets look good and all 4 plungers are topped up against the C-clips but ... none of the plungers can be "pumped", especially not by finger.
I pressed pretty hard with the end of the push rod and no joy.
Am I being too literal here or should these plungers actually be fairly easy to pump?
Either all 4 are good and the service manual is completely understating the pressure it takes to pump them or all 4 are bad.
Any input from those with experience on this?
Thanks
I'm starting to hear some LOUDER ticking from the engine than what seems normal to me. Sounds like a lifter going flat maybe.
Pull the top end off, heads look good, pistons are super clean, and even still see some honing scoring marks in the cylinders.
But, I'm chasing what I think is lifter noise, so pull the lifters, they look good, no scoring on the sides, no flat spots on the rollers.
The service manual (2009 Dyna Service) Pg: 3-60 Item #5 under Cleaning and Inspection says:
"Inspect the lifter socket for signs of wear. Verify that the plunger of the hydraulic lifter is fully extended up against the C-clip. Use index finger to pump plunger to verify lifter operation."
The sockets look good and all 4 plungers are topped up against the C-clips but ... none of the plungers can be "pumped", especially not by finger.
I pressed pretty hard with the end of the push rod and no joy.
Am I being too literal here or should these plungers actually be fairly easy to pump?
Either all 4 are good and the service manual is completely understating the pressure it takes to pump them or all 4 are bad.
Any input from those with experience on this?
Thanks
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Thanks man
If I can answer any questions along the way please let me know.
As for the lifters.... I have never been able to compress mine by hand when filled with oil.
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As for the lifters.... I have never been able to compress mine by hand when filled with oil.
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There is a check valve in the lifter body that prevents rapid collapse of the plunger even with low/no oil pressure. Some bleed down (leak oil) on there own. Others don't. Some even have a controlled leak rate. Yours are tight (no leaks or bleed hole) so it will take a lot of pressure to force the oil out. My personal preference is to disassemble them when possible. The insides tend to pick up a fair amount of crud. If they are dry or nearly empty the plunger can be compressed by hand...just FYI. If you can id the check valve valve port, very often you can open the valve by pushing the ball in with a small firm tool such as an o-ring pick. Try to avoid steel picks to prevent damaging the valve. Failing that, you can slowly smash them in a vice or c clamp or similar. Use towels to protect them but those roller make it tough to keep them from tipping out.
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I had a significant amount of cam chest noise as well, and since I've read in several spots now about HD lifters giving out at 65k+, I went ahead and got a Fuel Moto cam kit, revamped the valve train (springs were still good. ) .. noise went away.
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There is a check valve in the lifter body that prevents rapid collapse of the plunger even with low/no oil pressure. Some bleed down (leak oil) on there own. Others don't. Some even have a controlled leak rate. Yours are tight (no leaks or bleed hole) so it will take a lot of pressure to force the oil out. My personal preference is to disassemble them when possible. The insides tend to pick up a fair amount of crud. If they are dry or nearly empty the plunger can be compressed by hand...just FYI. If you can id the check valve valve port, very often you can open the valve by pushing the ball in with a small firm tool such as an o-ring pick. Try to avoid steel picks to prevent damaging the valve. Failing that, you can slowly smash them in a vice or c clamp or similar. Use towels to protect them but those roller make it tough to keep them from tipping out.
I pressed a small drift tool into that hole (very carefully) enough I thought to move a check ball, but no oil came out anywhere.
There's another hole on the side of each lifter but it doesn't look like a valve of any kind inside there.
I can definitely disassemble them but was worried if the spring inside is that strong that I can't depress it, I might not be able to get them back together.
It sounds like if I get them open, there's no oil to compress and I should be able to get them back together, is that correct?
Will look into the cam kit, good idea.
Last edited by Robottom; Jul 29, 2018 at 12:01 AM.
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