Helmet again........and don't get on MY case.
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There is no absolute in a helmet, just as there is no absolute without.
We wear them for head and eye protection, for noise reduction, and because they contain our audio/comms gear. And for some reason, the few times I've ridden without a helmet I didn't notice any extra enjoyment in having my head uncovered. I always figure 2 things: ride conservatively and smart to avoid accidents, and protective gear may help mitigate injuries if things go wrong. I don't worry about or judge people who do it differently than we do.
We wear them for head and eye protection, for noise reduction, and because they contain our audio/comms gear. And for some reason, the few times I've ridden without a helmet I didn't notice any extra enjoyment in having my head uncovered. I always figure 2 things: ride conservatively and smart to avoid accidents, and protective gear may help mitigate injuries if things go wrong. I don't worry about or judge people who do it differently than we do.
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hd4evr2008 (02-05-2019)
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I am PRO CHOICE pretty much EVERYTHING! Helmets, pregnancy, firearms, etc... I DETEST the gov or ANYONE telling me what I can and can not do.
Having said that, I just came back from my annual ophthalmologist appt. He does emergency coverage for 2 of the major (large) hospital emergency rooms in Palm Beach & Broward counties.
He asked me if I wear a helmet when I ride. I said "always.". He said good. Then followed up with an "off the cuff" remark (NOT in a condescending way at all) he said matter of factly, that when Florida passed the law riding with a helmet is optional for whatever age it is and above, his calls to the ER for bike related accidents (be it damage he had to fix or as a consult) went up 300%.
This thread is not meant to be another long drawn out discussion about helmets for the bazillionth time. It is just an interesting "fact" to note. His staff figured the numbers on his call outs over the years. A 300% increase for bike related issues.
Huh..........
Having said that, I just came back from my annual ophthalmologist appt. He does emergency coverage for 2 of the major (large) hospital emergency rooms in Palm Beach & Broward counties.
He asked me if I wear a helmet when I ride. I said "always.". He said good. Then followed up with an "off the cuff" remark (NOT in a condescending way at all) he said matter of factly, that when Florida passed the law riding with a helmet is optional for whatever age it is and above, his calls to the ER for bike related accidents (be it damage he had to fix or as a consult) went up 300%.
This thread is not meant to be another long drawn out discussion about helmets for the bazillionth time. It is just an interesting "fact" to note. His staff figured the numbers on his call outs over the years. A 300% increase for bike related issues.
Huh..........
Besides that without knowing the real numbers your Opthmoligists statement is meaningless. If he was called out once in the prior year and three times after the helmet law went into effect, that's a 300% increase, but the numbers are so small to be statistically insignificant
Also he is an eye surgeon, not a brain surgeon. well OK maybe heads are getting smashed enough for eyes to get damaged. But did you ask your gynecologist if she got called out more after the helmet law changed?
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You can't make a post about helmets without someone getting on your case. Just too controversial of a subject.
Besides that without knowing the real numbers your Opthmoligists statement is meaningless. If he was called out once in the prior year and three times after the helmet law went into effect, that's a 300% increase, but the numbers are so small to be statistically insignificant
Also he is an eye surgeon, not a brain surgeon. well OK maybe heads are getting smashed enough for eyes to get damaged. But did you ask your gynecologist if she got called out more after the helmet law changed?
Besides that without knowing the real numbers your Opthmoligists statement is meaningless. If he was called out once in the prior year and three times after the helmet law went into effect, that's a 300% increase, but the numbers are so small to be statistically insignificant
Also he is an eye surgeon, not a brain surgeon. well OK maybe heads are getting smashed enough for eyes to get damaged. But did you ask your gynecologist if she got called out more after the helmet law changed?
It was an off the cuff remark my ophthalmologist said that I thought was interesting. I did not mean this post to be an super in depth 30 year analysis by the FBI/CIA/Nat'l Transportation Board.
Surprisingly to me my friend, it is a bit interesting what people are saying and how many posts this simple off the cuff remark has provoked. I certainly did not mean to create such a stir.
It is like sticking a stick into a beehive. I will not do this again.
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It is sad that when there is a helmet discussion it becomes for some people a who's is bigger argument. I can only speak for myself, but I think a large number of people responding to this thread are just discussing their own experiences with them, a family member, a wreck they saw, a wreck on the news in their city, etc.
A NFL example would be where a receiver get's the hell knocked out of him a concussion only comes up if it is a helmet to helmet or the players head slams into the ground.
Helmets on a motorcycle are the same discussion, we have all seen someone go too wide on a turn (like a on-ramp with a curve) and hit the sand and wipe out. If they don't hit there head on the concrete or a tree we aren't running over to them thinking it is a concussion situation. I have seen a rider hit a car that pulls out right in front of them flip over the car and not hit their head on anything. in that case it was some broken bones and a whiplash.
I saw a guy 4 years ago on a touring bike that wasn't paying attention and the vehicle in front of the truck he was behind slowed down to turn right on a street. He locked up the brakes and slid into the back of the truck and his head nailed the bumper and then his head nailed the pavement. The truck was a old truck with a bumper that looked like a steel beam from a building. Without that helmet in my opinion he is either dead or he has a severe concussion or a TBI.
A NFL example would be where a receiver get's the hell knocked out of him a concussion only comes up if it is a helmet to helmet or the players head slams into the ground.
Helmets on a motorcycle are the same discussion, we have all seen someone go too wide on a turn (like a on-ramp with a curve) and hit the sand and wipe out. If they don't hit there head on the concrete or a tree we aren't running over to them thinking it is a concussion situation. I have seen a rider hit a car that pulls out right in front of them flip over the car and not hit their head on anything. in that case it was some broken bones and a whiplash.
I saw a guy 4 years ago on a touring bike that wasn't paying attention and the vehicle in front of the truck he was behind slowed down to turn right on a street. He locked up the brakes and slid into the back of the truck and his head nailed the bumper and then his head nailed the pavement. The truck was a old truck with a bumper that looked like a steel beam from a building. Without that helmet in my opinion he is either dead or he has a severe concussion or a TBI.
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I’m a big believer in the freedom to choose whether or not to wear a helmet or seat belt, but I’m also a big believer in tipping the odds in my favor whenever possible.
I’m alive because in 1987 a Bell 500 3/4 helmet gave itself to protect my head, after I was run off the road by a drunk driver. The shell cracked along the seam and I did get a mild concussion, but, given the severity of the crash, ‘closed casket’ would have been the alternative if I hadn’t been wearing it.
I wish I’d been wearing my full-face helmet, because my mother was the one who picked the gravel and broken glass out of my cheek and wrist in the ER. They were packed that day and I was deemed ‘the least likely to die right now’, so it was hours(I think) before I saw a doctor.
I’m alive because in 1987 a Bell 500 3/4 helmet gave itself to protect my head, after I was run off the road by a drunk driver. The shell cracked along the seam and I did get a mild concussion, but, given the severity of the crash, ‘closed casket’ would have been the alternative if I hadn’t been wearing it.
I wish I’d been wearing my full-face helmet, because my mother was the one who picked the gravel and broken glass out of my cheek and wrist in the ER. They were packed that day and I was deemed ‘the least likely to die right now’, so it was hours(I think) before I saw a doctor.