Do you use Nitrogen in your tires ?
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RE: Do you use Nitrogen in your tires ?
ORIGINAL: Kolni
Did I call it or what?
Why back when I posted how the main reason you are seeing nitorgen on new cars was because of tire pressure monitoring. It is the SENSOR that mainly benefits from the use of nitrogen, NOT the tire!. It is the SENSOR they are concerned with getting to much moisture in, NOT the tire!
Your article proven my point and did nothing to support your point. Nitrogen will ONLY be required on tires with SENSORS in them, not other normal tire/wheel combos.
ORIGINAL: cj_slowdown
In truth, nitrogen has a history as an alternative to compressed air in tires. It's been mandated in airline tires and U.S. military vehicles for nearly two decades, it's a staple in auto and motorcycle racing tires and is rapidly making its way into local automobile service shops across North America because of a new regulation mandating tire pressure monitoring systems (TPMs) for all new passenger cars.
In truth, nitrogen has a history as an alternative to compressed air in tires. It's been mandated in airline tires and U.S. military vehicles for nearly two decades, it's a staple in auto and motorcycle racing tires and is rapidly making its way into local automobile service shops across North America because of a new regulation mandating tire pressure monitoring systems (TPMs) for all new passenger cars.
Why back when I posted how the main reason you are seeing nitorgen on new cars was because of tire pressure monitoring. It is the SENSOR that mainly benefits from the use of nitrogen, NOT the tire!. It is the SENSOR they are concerned with getting to much moisture in, NOT the tire!
Your article proven my point and did nothing to support your point. Nitrogen will ONLY be required on tires with SENSORS in them, not other normal tire/wheel combos.
“Did I call it or what?
Why back when I posted how the main reason you are seeing nitorgen on new cars was because of tire pressure monitoring. It is the SENSOR that mainly benefits from the use of nitrogen, NOT the tire!. It is the SENSOR they are concerned with getting to much moisture in, NOT the tire!
Your article proven my point and did nothing to support your point. Nitrogen will ONLY be required on tires with SENSORS in them, not other normal tire/wheel combos. “
I can’t believe it ! WTF you mean nitrogen is only used for the sensors ? : - )))))))
But first let me give you a little advice, re-read before you click “OK” this got by you “Why back when I posted how the main reason you are seeing nitorgen on new cars was because of tire pressure monitoring.”
Now I know you meant “Way back when ….” it was simple to figure out, please don’t think it bothers me, it doesn’t, but the “grammar police” might jump all over you for it : - ) but then again if you stay on they (see I do it all the time) theirside, odds are, you won’t hear a peep !ok ..
Dude, its the s l o w pressure drop in tires with nitrogen and the way the majority of people don’t check their air pressure, that IS the reason why the law is being past, yes there is a safety issue, but it's the gas waste, Ihad a 2000 buick it had a sensor, for check air-loss in tires, 7 freaking years ago, but 7 years ago we were not importing as much of crude let alone “gas”
This is driven by the wasted gas mileage, with people not checking pressure, pure and simple.
A digital message pops up “Check Air Pressure” sure enough 3 to 4 lbs down, corvettes had this tech, what almost 10 years before my 2000 buick ! it’s a dumb simple circuit, the message comes up, you fill you tires (or not fill them, that’s how dumb the simple the system was, then all you do is hit the “reset” button while it was showing check “Check Air Pressure” but with Corvette system at that time in 2000 you had to fill up or top off the air, it was smarter.
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#102
09-27-2007, 04:13 PM
RE: Do you use Nitrogen in your tires ?
The SENSORS are being pushed to be installed as a sadety device. As a result, nitrogen is required for these sensorsm due to the fact nitrogen has less water in it.
Nowhere in your last article does it talk about the benefits for tires without sensors!
Nowhere in your last article does it talk about the benefits for tires without sensors!
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RE: Do you use Nitrogen in your tires ?
ORIGINAL: Lost1
I don't answer most of your "points" because they are based on your opinion, and most make little or no sense. And since you can't conduct a "debate" as you put it, you've resorted to snide insults and childish personal attacks, so I choose to ignore most of that witless prattle as well. I do indeed skip over quite a bit of your verbose posts because they are nothing but rehash of the same disjointed gibberish you've posted previous, and I tire quickly of trying to decipher your rotten spelling and grammar. I don't usually say anything about grammar in forums because this isn't school, but since you bring up my scanning of your posts, I felt your accusation deserved a response. All we can hope is that by the time you graduate high school you'll speak and read the language as well as the rest of us.
With the state of public education these days, one can only hope.
From your own posting:
"So if nitrogen is beneficial to automobile tires, then it's natural the same benefits would apply to motorcycle tires, right? According to experts in the motorcycle industry, not as much as you might think.
"The biggest benefit of nitrogen is that it holds very little moisture, so for the road racers and motocross guys, the ones who generate a lot of heat from their tires, I think using nitrogen makes good sense," said Frank Stacy, president of Stacy Testing and Tire Specialist Inc. "The benefits to the consumer, unless he has a nitrogen bottle in his garage where he's constantly filling the tire, I don't know how much it will help. Although it will help reduce corrosion, I don't think you'll see as much of a difference on tire wear or handling and control for bikes as you would in automobiles."
Don't ever buy a gun- you'll shoot yourself in the foot
I don't answer most of your "points" because they are based on your opinion, and most make little or no sense. And since you can't conduct a "debate" as you put it, you've resorted to snide insults and childish personal attacks, so I choose to ignore most of that witless prattle as well. I do indeed skip over quite a bit of your verbose posts because they are nothing but rehash of the same disjointed gibberish you've posted previous, and I tire quickly of trying to decipher your rotten spelling and grammar. I don't usually say anything about grammar in forums because this isn't school, but since you bring up my scanning of your posts, I felt your accusation deserved a response. All we can hope is that by the time you graduate high school you'll speak and read the language as well as the rest of us.
With the state of public education these days, one can only hope.
From your own posting:
"So if nitrogen is beneficial to automobile tires, then it's natural the same benefits would apply to motorcycle tires, right? According to experts in the motorcycle industry, not as much as you might think.
"The biggest benefit of nitrogen is that it holds very little moisture, so for the road racers and motocross guys, the ones who generate a lot of heat from their tires, I think using nitrogen makes good sense," said Frank Stacy, president of Stacy Testing and Tire Specialist Inc. "The benefits to the consumer, unless he has a nitrogen bottle in his garage where he's constantly filling the tire, I don't know how much it will help. Although it will help reduce corrosion, I don't think you'll see as much of a difference on tire wear or handling and control for bikes as you would in automobiles."
Don't ever buy a gun- you'll shoot yourself in the foot
"Lost1"
"I don't answer most of your "points" because they are based on your opinion, and most make little or no sense. And since you can't conduct a "debate" as you put it, you've resorted to snide insults and childish personal attacks, so I choose to ignore most of that witless prattle as well. I do indeed skip over quite a bit of your verbose posts because they are nothing but rehash of the same disjointed gibberish you've posted previous, and I tire quickly of trying to decipher your rotten spelling and grammar"
Still in denial ?
"Lost1"
" I don't usually say anything about grammar in forums because this isn't school, but since you bring up my scanning of your posts, I felt your accusation deserved a response. All we can hope is that by the time you graduate high school you'll speak and read the language as well as the rest of us. With the state of public education these days, one can only hope"
Thank you for your vote of confidence
"Lost1"
" From your own posting:
[left][color=#000000]"So if nitrogen is beneficial to automobile tires, then it's natural the same benefits would apply to motorcycle tires, right? According to experts in the motorcycle industry, not as much as you might think. "The biggest benefit of nitrogen is that it holds very little moisture, so for the road racers and motocross guys, the ones who generate a lot of heat from their tires, I think using nitrogen makes good sense," said Frank Stacy, president of Stacy Testing and Tire Specialist Inc. "The benefits to the consumer, unless he has a nitrogen bottle in h
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09-27-2007, 04:28 PM
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#105
09-27-2007, 04:31 PM
RE: Do you use Nitrogen in your tires ?
<sigh> You sir are dense. Nitrogen is only coming due to the sensors requiring it (as per YOUR article) not because it benefits the tires. Yes nitrogen helps tires maintain their air pressure over LONG periods of time. So does a tire gauge when used regularly. If people are too stupid to check their tire pressure what makes you think they will be smart enought to know to put nitrogen in their tires?
Thru all of this the only thing you have shown was that the auto industry plans on adding low pressor sensors to all cars soon and nitrogen leaks out slower then air. Which means nothing cause I check my tires.
Akk this for the low, low costs of $160.....or you can just check your tires for free.
Easy choise to me.
Thru all of this the only thing you have shown was that the auto industry plans on adding low pressor sensors to all cars soon and nitrogen leaks out slower then air. Which means nothing cause I check my tires.
Akk this for the low, low costs of $160.....or you can just check your tires for free.
Easy choise to me.
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RE: Do you use Nitrogen in your tires ?
Do you use helium in your balloons?
I ask this because I believe it’s a good idea, when I got my new ballons for mybirthday atparty dollarthey filled them up with helium andBozo also recommends the same.
Below are the benefits of usinghelium instead of all air, but first some facts: the air around us is78 percent nitrogen, with 21 percent oxygen and some other gases.(including freehelium)!
Helium ismuch lighter than regular air
Clowns andparty peopleusehelium in theirballoons
Helium makes you talk funny when you inhale it (if you inhale)
Helium is non flammable and so party friendly.
Heliumis friendlier for the interior rubber compounds, it’s loses less air than regular air-filled, but lots of leaks happen around the rim of the balloon, and they still will burst so if one has that problem, I guess it doesn’t really matter what one uses, but it won’t corrodeballoons andagain no water in the balloons(they are just mean spirited anyways)...
Helium being more stable and less prone to changes in pressure as in heat, and keeps better balloon firmness, so I guess the water balloons again.
The cost: 80 cu ft (approx 40” tall x 10” wide, (you know I like bigassed balloons at my party) 35 lbs tank cost filled, $100 to re-fill $15.00 (expensive ones too)!
Regulator, you need to cut down the pressure from tanks 3,000 lbs to 100 lbs, cost $50
If you already have a compressor you can use the hose all you need is a quick disconnect fitting, less than $4, if your into SCUBA then you already havethe tank.
What do you think ? Think it’s worth it ?If not, just send me a gift certificate...
Go ahead and reply all you want I will try toburst your balloons as best as I possibly can.Please no differing opinions either, its MY DAMNED PARTY!!!!
Get highsafe always, helium or regular air in your balloons : - )
Tommylee
I ask this because I believe it’s a good idea, when I got my new ballons for mybirthday atparty dollarthey filled them up with helium andBozo also recommends the same.
Below are the benefits of usinghelium instead of all air, but first some facts: the air around us is78 percent nitrogen, with 21 percent oxygen and some other gases.(including freehelium)!
Helium ismuch lighter than regular air
Clowns andparty peopleusehelium in theirballoons
Helium makes you talk funny when you inhale it (if you inhale)
Helium is non flammable and so party friendly.
Heliumis friendlier for the interior rubber compounds, it’s loses less air than regular air-filled, but lots of leaks happen around the rim of the balloon, and they still will burst so if one has that problem, I guess it doesn’t really matter what one uses, but it won’t corrodeballoons andagain no water in the balloons(they are just mean spirited anyways)...
Helium being more stable and less prone to changes in pressure as in heat, and keeps better balloon firmness, so I guess the water balloons again.
The cost: 80 cu ft (approx 40” tall x 10” wide, (you know I like bigassed balloons at my party) 35 lbs tank cost filled, $100 to re-fill $15.00 (expensive ones too)!
Regulator, you need to cut down the pressure from tanks 3,000 lbs to 100 lbs, cost $50
If you already have a compressor you can use the hose all you need is a quick disconnect fitting, less than $4, if your into SCUBA then you already havethe tank.
What do you think ? Think it’s worth it ?If not, just send me a gift certificate...
Go ahead and reply all you want I will try toburst your balloons as best as I possibly can.Please no differing opinions either, its MY DAMNED PARTY!!!!
Get highsafe always, helium or regular air in your balloons : - )
Tommylee
#107
09-27-2007, 05:46 PM
RE: Do you use Nitrogen in your tires ?
What is your come-back about nitrogen use in cars becoming law ?
Your quote says "because of a new regulation mandating tire pressure monitoring systems (TPMs) for all new passenger cars."
It says TPM's will be mandated, not nitrogen. Can't you read?
What is your come-back about nitrogen use in cars becoming law ?
Your quote says: "The TPMs, mandated by the National Highway Transportation Safety Association by the end of 2007..."
Again, it says TPM's will be mandated, not nitrogen. Again, can't you read? (Let me guess- public school... [&o])
What is your come-back about nitrogen "doesn’t expand and contract the way air does"
I'd say that's a fair assessment of the behavior of nitrogen. Been that way for, oh, a bazillion years. Appears to be new news to you, though. Hint- stop sleeping through your science classes.
What is your come-back about nitrogen "eventually they're going to be introduced to motorcycles,"
I think it's a great idea to add TPM's to bikes. They work real well with air, just like the automobile TPM's do.
[align=left]What is your come-back about nitrogen "carries additional benefits for a car tire that compressed air doesn't."[/align][align=left]"Benefits" are in the eye of the beholder. Anything that takes my money out of my pocket to do a job that something else has been doing adequately and for free all my life is hardly a benefit.
[/align][align=left]What is your come-back about nitrogen "can retain tire pressure nearly eight times longer than air, it reduces stress on the tire, leading to 25-30 percent longer tire life, better handling and the prevention of corrosion build-up on a tire's rims." ?[/align][align=left]Who cares? Check your pressures monthly and it'll hardly matter will it?
Corrosion on rims? How long are you planning to leave the tire on, 15-20 years? Maybe you'll need it, but I have yet to lose a rim to corrosion caused by air. [sm=lol.gif]
[/align][align=left]What is your come-back about nitrogen "Goodyear, BF Goodrich and Michelin have all released statements in support of using nitrogen, and Ford Motor Co. recently completed a study that verified nitrogen's benefits when used in automobile tires."
I don't care who comes out in support of nitrogen in tires. Just because the automakers endorse it doesn't mean it's the best thing for you. (Think: "energy conserving" oil.) You seem quick to be a follower. A lot of people and industries endorse different things- doesn't always mean it's something you need or it's something you'll benefit from. Please step away from the Kool-Aid pitcher.
[align=left]8) My comments or come-back for your "cherry pick"[/align][align=left]According to how many experts in the m/c industry ? [/align][align=left]Just what is the difference between the "road racers and motocross guys," and the benefits to the consumer" I guess we are the "consumers, yes ? I say I am closer to a road racer and a aggressive street rider, what are you , into the dirt ? [/align][align=left][i][color="#0000cc"]Just what is "where he's constantly filling the tire" what dose "constantly filling" mean ? we have rim leaks ? since that is a problem for all nitrogen and reg air uses ? [/colo
Your quote says "because of a new regulation mandating tire pressure monitoring systems (TPMs) for all new passenger cars."
It says TPM's will be mandated, not nitrogen. Can't you read?
What is your come-back about nitrogen use in cars becoming law ?
Your quote says: "The TPMs, mandated by the National Highway Transportation Safety Association by the end of 2007..."
Again, it says TPM's will be mandated, not nitrogen. Again, can't you read? (Let me guess- public school... [&o])
What is your come-back about nitrogen "doesn’t expand and contract the way air does"
I'd say that's a fair assessment of the behavior of nitrogen. Been that way for, oh, a bazillion years. Appears to be new news to you, though. Hint- stop sleeping through your science classes.
What is your come-back about nitrogen "eventually they're going to be introduced to motorcycles,"
I think it's a great idea to add TPM's to bikes. They work real well with air, just like the automobile TPM's do.
[align=left]What is your come-back about nitrogen "carries additional benefits for a car tire that compressed air doesn't."[/align][align=left]"Benefits" are in the eye of the beholder. Anything that takes my money out of my pocket to do a job that something else has been doing adequately and for free all my life is hardly a benefit.
[/align][align=left]What is your come-back about nitrogen "can retain tire pressure nearly eight times longer than air, it reduces stress on the tire, leading to 25-30 percent longer tire life, better handling and the prevention of corrosion build-up on a tire's rims." ?[/align][align=left]Who cares? Check your pressures monthly and it'll hardly matter will it?
Corrosion on rims? How long are you planning to leave the tire on, 15-20 years? Maybe you'll need it, but I have yet to lose a rim to corrosion caused by air. [sm=lol.gif]
[/align][align=left]What is your come-back about nitrogen "Goodyear, BF Goodrich and Michelin have all released statements in support of using nitrogen, and Ford Motor Co. recently completed a study that verified nitrogen's benefits when used in automobile tires."
I don't care who comes out in support of nitrogen in tires. Just because the automakers endorse it doesn't mean it's the best thing for you. (Think: "energy conserving" oil.) You seem quick to be a follower. A lot of people and industries endorse different things- doesn't always mean it's something you need or it's something you'll benefit from. Please step away from the Kool-Aid pitcher.
[align=left]8) My comments or come-back for your "cherry pick"[/align][align=left]According to how many experts in the m/c industry ? [/align][align=left]Just what is the difference between the "road racers and motocross guys," and the benefits to the consumer" I guess we are the "consumers, yes ? I say I am closer to a road racer and a aggressive street rider, what are you , into the dirt ? [/align][align=left][i][color="#0000cc"]Just what is "where he's constantly filling the tire" what dose "constantly filling" mean ? we have rim leaks ? since that is a problem for all nitrogen and reg air uses ? [/colo
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09-27-2007, 06:06 PM
#110
09-27-2007, 07:25 PM
RE: Do you use Nitrogen in your tires ?
ORIGINAL: x2lee
Do you use helium in your balloons?
I ask this because I believe it’s a good idea, when I got my new ballons for mybirthday atparty dollarthey filled them up with helium andBozo also recommends the same.
Below are the benefits of usinghelium instead of all air, but first some facts: the air around us is78 percent nitrogen, with 21 percent oxygen and some other gases.(including freehelium)!
Helium ismuch lighter than regular air
Clowns andparty peopleusehelium in theirballoons
Helium makes you talk funny when you inhale it (if you inhale)
Helium is non flammable and so party friendly.
Heliumis friendlier for the interior rubber compounds, it’s loses less air than regular air-filled, but lots of leaks happen around the rim of the balloon, and they still will burst so if one has that problem, I guess it doesn’t really matter what one uses, but it won’t corrodeballoons andagain no water in the balloons(they are just mean spirited anyways)...
Helium being more stable and less prone to changes in pressure as in heat, and keeps better balloon firmness, so I guess the water balloons again.
The cost: 80 cu ft (approx 40” tall x 10” wide, (you know I like bigassed balloons at my party) 35 lbs tank cost filled, $100 to re-fill $15.00 (expensive ones too)!
Regulator, you need to cut down the pressure from tanks 3,000 lbs to 100 lbs, cost $50
If you already have a compressor you can use the hose all you need is a quick disconnect fitting, less than $4, if your into SCUBA then you already havethe tank.
What do you think ? Think it’s worth it ?If not, just send me a gift certificate...
Go ahead and reply all you want I will try toburst your balloons as best as I possibly can.Please no differing opinions either, its MY DAMNED PARTY!!!!
Get highsafe always, helium or regular air in your balloons : - )
Tommylee
Do you use helium in your balloons?
I ask this because I believe it’s a good idea, when I got my new ballons for mybirthday atparty dollarthey filled them up with helium andBozo also recommends the same.
Below are the benefits of usinghelium instead of all air, but first some facts: the air around us is78 percent nitrogen, with 21 percent oxygen and some other gases.(including freehelium)!
Helium ismuch lighter than regular air
Clowns andparty peopleusehelium in theirballoons
Helium makes you talk funny when you inhale it (if you inhale)
Helium is non flammable and so party friendly.
Heliumis friendlier for the interior rubber compounds, it’s loses less air than regular air-filled, but lots of leaks happen around the rim of the balloon, and they still will burst so if one has that problem, I guess it doesn’t really matter what one uses, but it won’t corrodeballoons andagain no water in the balloons(they are just mean spirited anyways)...
Helium being more stable and less prone to changes in pressure as in heat, and keeps better balloon firmness, so I guess the water balloons again.
The cost: 80 cu ft (approx 40” tall x 10” wide, (you know I like bigassed balloons at my party) 35 lbs tank cost filled, $100 to re-fill $15.00 (expensive ones too)!
Regulator, you need to cut down the pressure from tanks 3,000 lbs to 100 lbs, cost $50
If you already have a compressor you can use the hose all you need is a quick disconnect fitting, less than $4, if your into SCUBA then you already havethe tank.
What do you think ? Think it’s worth it ?If not, just send me a gift certificate...
Go ahead and reply all you want I will try toburst your balloons as best as I possibly can.Please no differing opinions either, its MY DAMNED PARTY!!!!
Get highsafe always, helium or regular air in your balloons : - )
Tommylee