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coot58 04-12-2014 05:55 AM

anyone never been down ?
 
seems like every one i talk to has stories of goin down,except me..NOT THAT I WANT ONE !!..i started riding in '67 or '68 ,i was nine or ten racing dirt bikes till i was 18..came off the bike a bunch of times as you would expect in the dirt...started riding street bikes in the early eighty's,there were i few years here and there i didnt ride but i have at least a solid 25 years on the street and about 100,000+ miles under my belt..lots of CLOSE calls...but never went down,now im 56 and thinkin..man this is gonna hurt! lol,,i used to tell my wife its not if i go down..its a matter of when..sh*t happens...but thankfully not yet. i think im a good rider yet i know i have bad habits too and an advanced riders course would be good to point out my bads and sharpen my skills.just wondering if you have had the same luck. i know skill is important,yet there must be some luck envolved...is mine running out ? lol

Granpita 04-12-2014 06:29 AM

Kinda' reminds me of the old saying about women: "There are those that have and those that will."

EP50 04-12-2014 06:30 AM

you mean crashed?

coot58 04-12-2014 06:36 AM

yeah,crashed

EP50 04-12-2014 06:41 AM

Twice, but they were on a Yamaha. not sure if that counts

jeffreydsilver 04-12-2014 06:41 AM

Yeah Baby!
 
I'm COOL!

coot58 04-12-2014 06:46 AM


Originally Posted by EP50 (Post 12576508)
Twice, but they were on a Yamaha. not sure if that counts

umm...yeah,that counts...whats it matter what brand ya ride?

dan conner 04-12-2014 06:50 AM

are we talking about "my foot slipped while trying to maneuver into a parking spot" or hitting the pavement hard and tearing up stuff, including our bodies?

coot58 04-12-2014 06:54 AM

im talkin bout crashin,gettin banged up..im sure my time will come..hopefully i be able to walk away from it..too many dont.

PaiN 04-12-2014 06:57 AM

Coot...Bad news brother :icon_emm: There are only three kinds of riders.

1. Those that have gone down.
2. Those that are going down.
3. Those that are going down again.

You're a 2

Rynb15 04-12-2014 07:00 AM

not yet on the street(riding 10 years). few broken bones in the dirt.

coot58 04-12-2014 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by PaiN (Post 12576545)
Coot...Bad news brother :icon_emm: There are only three kinds of riders.

1. Those that have gone down.
2. Those that are going down.
3. Those that are going down again.

You're a 2

yeah..thats what im thinkin,lol..hope it aint too bad,got a family that counts on me..and thinkin my bike all tore up..ugh,but i can always fix it or get another

jeffreydsilver 04-12-2014 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by coot58 (Post 12576536)
im talkin bout crashin,gettin banged up..im sure my time will come..hopefully i be able to walk away from it..too many dont.

I guess if you're so sure, it probably will. Wrong attitude, and I mean this with no disrespect. You should be riding with what I would I call a SLIGHT degree of arrogance WHILE STILL KEEPING A HUGE DEGREE OF RESPECT for the ride. Any hesitation on your part just might come back to bite you.

coot58 04-12-2014 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by jeffreydsilver (Post 12576559)
I guess if you're so sure, it probably will. Wrong attitude, and I mean this with no disrespect. You should be riding with what I would I call a SLIGHT degree of arrogance WHILE STILL KEEPING A HUGE DEGREE OF RESPECT for the ride. Any hesitation on your part just might come back to bite you.

i agree,i dont really have a fear of it..i do respect it..and im not implying im such a skilled rider..ive been fortunate

Knuckles73 04-12-2014 07:46 AM

Earned my broken wings three yrs ago this month. I''d been riding 25 yrs or so. Skill has some bearing on the outcome. You can only control your actions not the actions of others when it comes to laying your bike down.

bballkking1 04-12-2014 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by PaiN (Post 12576545)
Coot...Bad news brother :icon_emm: There are only three kinds of riders.

1. Those that have gone down.
2. Those that are going down.
3. Those that are going down again.

You're a 2

I've never really understood this logic. So there is no chance that someone can be a motorcyclist throughout their life (let's say they ride 150,000 miles in their life) and never crash? Everyone who rides a motorcycle is guaranteed to crash? That's not true.

My grandfather rode after he got back from WWII until he was 75, my dad rides, and I ride. None of us have crashed, although 2 of us still make the opportunity frequently. I couldn't tell you our total mileage. I'm not saying we're amazingly skilled or extra safe riders. Maybe lucky, not sure the reason really matters? I'm just arguing that you can ride many miles over the course of your riding career and stay upright. Don't like that saying.

coot58 04-12-2014 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by bballkking1 (Post 12576727)
I've never really understood this logic. So there is no chance that someone can be a motorcyclist throughout their life (let's say they ride 150,000 miles in their life) and never crash? Everyone who rides a motorcycle is guaranteed to crash? That's not true.

My grandfather rode after he got back from WWII until he was 75, my dad rides, and I ride. None of us have crashed, although 2 of us still make the opportunity frequently. I couldn't tell you our total mileage. I'm not saying we're amazingly skilled or extra safe riders. Maybe lucky, not sure the reason really matters? I'm just arguing that you can ride many miles over the course of your riding career and stay upright. Don't like that saying.

good point and very glad to hear that..yes i agree its possible,and i certainly hope the case with me,on the other hand to ,spend your life on two wheels and and never take a brody seems unlikely

31choptop 04-12-2014 08:17 AM

I went down on a woman once or twice!! didn't hurt at all! cept went she squeezed her thighs tight!!!

coot58 04-12-2014 08:18 AM

lol,been there done that too, but i recovered and climbed back 'in' the saddle

E8USMCRET 04-12-2014 08:25 AM

I was telling a guy I know about two real close calls I had recently involving senior citizens. He's a staunch anti cell phone guy and won't even play his radio while driving. He told me that he'd rather get hit by a senior citizen than a young punk that was texting.
I almost gut punched his silly ass right there. I said something to the effect of "what ****ing differenc does it make who, what, where or why someone wiped your ass out only that it happened and you and your bike may never be the same".

E8USMCRET 04-12-2014 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by coot58 (Post 12576827)
good point and very glad to hear that..yes i agree its possible,and i certainly hope the case with me,on the other hand to ,spend your life on two wheels and and never take a brody seems unlikely

A friend of mine's Father passed two years ago. He was a retired Navy SEAL Chief Gunners Mate, plankowner of SEAL Team -1, four tours in Vietnam, Navy Cross, 2 Silver Stars, 2 Bronze Stars w/Combat V, Navy Comm w/Combat V, HALO, Scuba, Ranger, Pathfinder and more. Note not one Purple Heart.

Some people are either lucky, skilled, blessed or all three. Let's just hope we can all be safe out there.

coot58 04-12-2014 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by E8USMCRET (Post 12576863)
I was telling a guy I know about two real close calls I had recently involving senior citizens. He's a staunch anti cell phone guy and won't even play his radio while driving. He told me that he'd rather get hit by a senior citizen than a young punk that was texting.
I almost gut punched his silly ass right there. I said something to the effect of "what ****ing differenc does it make who, what, where or why someone wiped your ass out only that it happened and you and your bike may never be the same".

yeah,your right there..whoever punches your ticket..the end result is the same

Uncle Larry 04-12-2014 08:37 AM

In 1965 ( we were kids ) an friend and I use to clean a local M/C clubhouse ( in Northwest Detroit ) and one of the thing that sticks out most in my mind was one of the members saying " There's only two kinds of bikers ... Those that have crashed and those that are going to" ... Hopefully yours ( and everyone else's ) is a small one but it's probably going to happen.

coot58 04-12-2014 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Uncle Larry (Post 12576889)
In 1965 ( we were kids ) an friend and I use to clean a local M/C clubhouse ( in Northwest Detroit ) and one of the thing that sticks out most in my mind was one of the members saying " There's only two kinds of bikers ... Those that have crashed and those that are going to" ... Hopefully yours ( and everyone else's ) is a small one but it's probably going to happen.

not wishing it on me and certainly no one else...it just seems so likely..its sooo freakin nice out here in jersey right now..goin fer a ride ..be back later..god willing lol,be safe everyone,later,Everett

hd4evr2008 04-12-2014 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by coot58 (Post 12576438)
seems like every one i talk to has stories of goin down,except me..NOT THAT I WANT ONE !!..i started riding in '67 or '68 ,i was nine or ten racing dirt bikes till i was 18..came off the bike a bunch of times as you would expect in the dirt...started riding street bikes in the early eighty's,there were i few years here and there i didnt ride but i have at least a solid 25 years on the street and about 100,000+ miles under my belt..lots of CLOSE calls...but never went down,now im 56 and thinkin..man this is gonna hurt! lol,,i used to tell my wife its not if i go down..its a matter of when..sh*t happens...but thankfully not yet. i think im a good rider yet i know i have bad habits too and an advanced riders course would be good to point out my bads and sharpen my skills.just wondering if you have had the same luck. i know skill is important,yet there must be some luck envolved...is mine running out ? lol

^^^^^^Same as you! Hit the ground plenty of times while racing dirt, but NEVER on the street, and I'll be 63 in June. I'm not one who believes everyone who rides will crash. Never had a car accident either. Just watch out when riding/driving. I truly believe motorcyclists make better car drivers. We just watch out for things better.

hd4evr2008 04-12-2014 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by PaiN (Post 12576545)
Coot...Bad news brother :icon_emm: There are only three kinds of riders.

1. Those that have gone down.
2. Those that are going down.
3. Those that are going down again.

You're a 2

I don't know how old you are, or how long you've been riding, but that statement is the biggest bunch of *bull* I've ever read. I know plenty of guys who have some serious miles on motorcycles, got old and quit riding, and never crashed even one time. If that's truly what you believe, remind me to never ride with you. If that's truly your experience, no wonder you chose "PaiN' as your screen name! ;)

SYLM 04-12-2014 09:01 AM

Been down twice. Same injury both times. Broken pride and a bruised ego. Have been really lucky hopefully it holds

LiiT 04-12-2014 09:03 AM

Down three times. Two were my fault for riding like an idiot and not knowing when to leave the lick stand down. The third was a "didn't see you".

I've been lucky I guess. Nothing more than a couple broken fingers, bruises, and some road rash so far, but I'm still riding so the best may be yet to come! LOL

LiiT

roofgunner 04-12-2014 09:24 AM

I've been riding since 1970. Went down once(1978) due to a helmet strap being too tight while using a Bell Star 2 helmet and riding a 900 Kaw at three digit speeds down the Silverado trail. The helmet had a lift at speed and cut off enough blood flow and it caused me to black out-AFTER I had slowed down to about 50 mph. I just ran off the road, hit a big assed rock, flipped the bike, bent the frame but the leather jacket , boots and the helmet saved my ass. So live and learn. But I would say your chances of going down depend on what area you ride in like the amount of cages with texting drivers. It seems the causes of bike wrecks are still the left hand turns of cage drivers in front of the bike and alcohol use. The other thing is, and it still happens to me is that on a bike, due to the freedom it gives, the feeling it gives, and even the security it gives is that the riding experience sometimes has the affect of you letting your guard down that can put you in a situation where-by you aren't really paying attention to what you are doing and that may lead you into a path of danger.

hvacgaspiping 04-12-2014 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by bballkking1 (Post 12576727)
I've never really understood this logic. So there is no chance that someone can be a motorcyclist throughout their life (let's say they ride 150,000 miles in their life) and never crash? Everyone who rides a motorcycle is guaranteed to crash? That's not true.

My grandfather rode after he got back from WWII until he was 75, my dad rides, and I ride. None of us have crashed, although 2 of us still make the opportunity frequently. I couldn't tell you our total mileage. I'm not saying we're amazingly skilled or extra safe riders. Maybe lucky, not sure the reason really matters? I'm just arguing that you can ride many miles over the course of your riding career and stay upright. Don't like that saying.

:icon_that: So far so good....

hvacgaspiping 04-12-2014 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by 31choptop (Post 12576828)
I went down on a woman once or twice!! didn't hurt at all! cept went she squeezed her thighs tight!!!

Yeah, and smothering ain`t so bad in that position either. :icon_teeth:

Twistnride 04-12-2014 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by bballkking1 (Post 12576727)
I've never really understood this logic. So there is no chance that someone can be a motorcyclist throughout their life (let's say they ride 150,000 miles in their life) and never crash? Everyone who rides a motorcycle is guaranteed to crash? That's not true.

My grandfather rode after he got back from WWII until he was 75, my dad rides, and I ride. None of us have crashed, although 2 of us still make the opportunity frequently. I couldn't tell you our total mileage. I'm not saying we're amazingly skilled or extra safe riders. Maybe lucky, not sure the reason really matters? I'm just arguing that you can ride many miles over the course of your riding career and stay upright. Don't like that saying.

150,000 miles in a lifetime? That ain't riding. Did that every three years when I lived in SoCal. Been down hard,at speed,3 times,and probably will again. Big f--kin' deal. Get used to the saying,it's true.

PaiN 04-12-2014 09:56 AM


Originally Posted by PaiN https://www.hdforums.com/forum/image...s/viewpost.gif
Coot...Bad news brother :icon_emm: There are only three kinds of riders.

1. Those that have gone down.
2. Those that are going down.
3. Those that are going down again.

You're a 2


Originally Posted by bballkking1 (Post 12576727)
I've never really understood this logic. So there is no chance that someone can be a motorcyclist throughout their life (let's say they ride 150,000 miles in their life) and never crash? Everyone who rides a motorcycle is guaranteed to crash? That's not true.

My grandfather rode after he got back from WWII until he was 75, my dad rides, and I ride. None of us have crashed, although 2 of us still make the opportunity frequently. I couldn't tell you our total mileage. I'm not saying we're amazingly skilled or extra safe riders. Maybe lucky, not sure the reason really matters? I'm just arguing that you can ride many miles over the course of your riding career and stay upright. Don't like that saying.


Originally Posted by hd4evr2008
I don't know how old you are, or how long you've been riding, but that statement is the biggest bunch of *bull* I've ever read. I know plenty of guys who have some serious miles on motorcycles, got old and quit riding, and never crashed even one time. If that's truly what you believe, remind me to never ride with you. If that's truly your experience, no wonder you chose "PaiN' as your screen name!

You two need to get the stick out of your asses.... Wow, my 3 types of riders is just a funny anecdote, not a philosophy on life or anything else you'd need to get your nickers in a bunch over.

Have nice safe ride this weekend ;)

modular 04-12-2014 09:58 AM

Yup, last May I high sided at Mid-O during a track day. Bike (2003 Honda CBR954RR) was demolished. I ended up with 3 breaks in my pelvis, 2 right side broken ribs and a broken right collarbone. Not the best time in my life. At least it was on a track without cars, trees or fences. I was out riding again by August but it was a bit painful after about an hour.

bballkking1 04-12-2014 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by PaiN (Post 12577138)
You two need to get the stick out of your asses.... Wow, my 3 types of riders is just a funny anecdote, not a philosophy on life or anything else you'd need to get your nickers in a bunch over.

Have nice safe ride this weekend ;)

Thanks Pain. You ride safe too.

No stick up my ass, just sharing my opinion in general to that anecdote and the hundreds of times I've heard it. Don't think anyone is guaranteed to crash, don't like that saying.

hd4evr2008 04-12-2014 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by bballkking1 (Post 12577154)
Thanks Pain. You ride safe too.

No stick up my ass, just sharing my opinion in general to that anecdote and the hundreds of times I've heard it. Don't think anyone is guaranteed to crash, don't like that saying.

+1 :)

zyonsdream 04-12-2014 02:12 PM

I love guys who go out of their driveways with the thought in their head, "I'm going down on this thing some day." Never have I thought that and never have I gone down on pavement. I've never even seen one of my bikes on it's side that wasn't designed to be on it's side.

I fully understand that when I go out, I may never come back home but I don't understand how dwelling on that even makes riding fun. The last thing on my mind is going down but then again, I'm secure in my skill level and ride within it. I'm always looking for ways to improve and have never thought that my skills were better than they are. I've had close calls but I was skilled enough to prevent a spill.

I also think the whole thing, "those who have gone down and those that will" is a pile of crap that people like to say to make motorcycling sound more dangerous than it is. It's like people who have tattoos going around saying how bad they hurt to get. Makes you feel more like a badd-ass. I know a ton of people like the OP that have been riding longer than a lot of us have been alive and they have never gone down. It literally comes down to these basic concepts
1. skill and riding within it
2. Awareness of your surroundings and defensive driving
3. keeping your ride in top mechanical condition

coot58 04-12-2014 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by zyonsdream (Post 12577802)
I love guys who go out of their driveways with the thought in their head, "I'm going down on this thing some day." Never have I thought that and never have I gone down on pavement. I've never even seen one of my bikes on it's side that wasn't designed to be on it's side.

I fully understand that when I go out, I may never come back home but I don't understand how dwelling on that even makes riding fun. The last thing on my mind is going down but then again, I'm secure in my skill level and ride within it. I'm always looking for ways to improve and have never thought that my skills were better than they are. I've had close calls but I was skilled enough to prevent a spill.

I also think the whole thing, "those who have gone down and those that will" is a pile of crap that people like to say to make motorcycling sound more dangerous than it is. It's like people who have tattoos going around saying how bad they hurt to get. Makes you feel more like a badd-ass. I know a ton of people like the OP that have been riding longer than a lot of us have been alive and they have never gone down. It literally comes down to these basic concepts
1. skill and riding within it
2. Awareness of your surroundings and defensive driving
3. keeping your ride in top mechanical condition

i started this thread..a passing thought...then went riding all day..never gave it another thought..and i certaintly didnt dwell on it...i had a blast today and always ride within my skill limits.

Crazy Biker 04-12-2014 02:54 PM

When I was a kid on my mini bike and dirt bike.

Inop 04-12-2014 03:19 PM

Dirt bikes, many times. Phuked my shoulder up years ago, still hurts today. My honda nighthawk 450 when I was 22 had to lay it down. Other than that still riding.


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