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Old 09-05-2020, 02:51 PM
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I've been battling this problem ever since buying my bike in 2018.

Whenever coming to a stop, it gives out a thick fuel smell. Enough to make riders behind my choke and my own eyes to start watering :O
It feels like it is throwing this smell the moment it comes to a dead stop.

I ride everyday in the city and light to light. It seems to be less of a smell if I am out on the freeway cruising and then coming to a stop.

Been back and forth with Jamie but we couldn't quite seem to get it to go away even with his suggestions.

I even bit the bullet and bought an SE aluminium manifold as he was thinking my stock one was warped.

Would someone please help?

I do not have the stock tune to revert to, so I can't test if it's the pipe that's the problem.

I am running these on the 2018 Heritage Classic

1) cobra neighbour hater slip ons
2) SE extreme ventilator intake
3) SE intake manifold (aluminium)
4) PV tuner (map attached - https://wetransfer.com/downloads/f9f...5195025/bac1bf)

I will be sending beer to whoever helps to solve this, it's really been the bane of my riding but I am sure there is a solution out there
 
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Old 09-06-2020, 08:06 AM
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at idle your lambda is .981 which should be lean enough to not have any fuel smell, I think that this lambda will take you out of closed loop and then if your VE is off you could be rich.
Any chance you have a fuel leak somewhere?
Just read that .981 will put you in closed loop, so you should be no smell from exhaust.
 

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Old 09-06-2020, 09:12 AM
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no leaks that I can find, I just swapped to an aluminium air intake and did the spray test

Also no leaks from exhaust

I did a bit of sniffing (literal) and it's coming out of the pipes, the scent that is

any other variables that I am missing?
 
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Decel fuel added?
 
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Old 09-06-2020, 01:32 PM
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download the dynojet power core software and do a log to see how things look when at idle. I had trouble retrieving my original tune as well, but the FM guys showed me how.
 
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Old 09-06-2020, 06:50 PM
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Are you running the head breather vents to atmosphere instead of back into the intake? That can be a cause of a very strong smell at idle.

Also - I have seen O2 sensors get flaky at the edge of the closed loop range when trying to set them as max rich (funny because we are talking 1/2 a fuel point) . You could try setting the lambda to 1 and see if the problem goes away.
 

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I could be wrong, but I thought that bike had 5.3 injectors, not 4.38 injectors.

Maybe make sure you have the correct injector size before you try to auto-tune it?

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Hi all,

thanks for the input.

Fellow forum members are the best!

I got help from Ke5rbd who took a look at my map & reduced the deceleration enleanment.

Loaded it & it still smells, although less, or maybe I am just mentally telling myself there is a change.

Either way, I did take the suggestion of riding in log mode and will be sending him a log.

Also did a test where I watched the gauge during auto tune. It seems the smell it thrown when I come to a stop and the VE table is in the 1250 rpm and 0 tps mode.

Bike runs amazing and even w the reduce decel that Ke5rbd did on the map, no popping.

Just an annoying stink!!!
 
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Is your air filter wet? I bet those pipes have a **** ton of reversion. If that's the case, you're gonna have to pull fuel from that area.
A neighbor had a soaked air filter from that exhaust and reversion but he was also running performance cams but just a thought. Not the best exhaust performance wise.
The name pretty much says why people run them. Sound not performance.
 

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Old 09-08-2020, 10:33 AM
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thanks, what would the area be to pull fuel from?

FYI, today I pulled the o2s & the bike seemed to run stronger.

Used a map that fellow forumer sent to test out if the sensors were faulty

The stink is present

Back to the drawing board today
 

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