LiveWire LiveWire Embarks on Epic 13,000 Mile Journey
#11
10-06-2020, 02:37 PM
#12
10-06-2020, 05:56 PM
Grand HDF Member
Absolutely. If I lived in Knoxville instead of Houston, I'd have the LiveWire already. There are some areas of the country where it's just so obviously the right choice...
#14
10-26-2020, 01:39 PM
Grand HDF Member
It's a good question to ask, since the other manufacturers basically lie about their ranges. From all the tests I've seen, Harley appears to be telling the truth, what they say is what you'll get. 146 miles of urban riding, about 70 miles of highway riding at 70. Owners have reported about 115 miles when riding at 50-55 mph.
#15
11-25-2020, 11:45 PM
Cruiser
Anyone who thinks these things are emissions friendly are sadly mistaken. More political BS than anything else. One needs to look at the total emission from producing the bike and all it's components until it's retired and destroyed. Anyone think that all the electricity use was made with no emissions? How about battery manufacturing and disposal, the list goes on and on. What an electric vehicle does is shift the emissions to another source, it does not get rid of it at all! Until we can produce energy with no emissions one needs to stop looking at what the political BS is telling you and look at the total emissions required from birth to death of a vehicle and all the energy production and distribution emissions to see if it is reducing anything at all. In most cases that have been studied to date there is no emissions reduction happening at all, from its gasoline counter part. Someday maybe but not today or anytime in the near future.
#16
11-26-2020, 12:05 AM
Grand HDF Member
Except he's 100% wrong.
It's not political BS. Science is apolitical. Yall are making it political by saying its political.
The question isnt about if EVs are better for the environment or not, because they are, there is no debating that.
The question is how long people are going to refuse to support renewables and carbon sinks.
Whats better than buying an EV? Not having one made at all and using a vehicle already produced.
A lot of people dont even know you can capture carbon emissions and make gasoline out of if.
Whats even better? Making that vehicle a motorcycle.
Motorcycles have huge advantages in evironmental friendliness that even the best EVs don't have. And that's size, and material budget.
Even the biggest harleys people ride here are clocking in at just under 900lbs. less than a 1/3rd that of a car. And not every biker rides a big CVO fat road glide.
Big Vtwins get great fuel economy and bikes take up smaller spaces, and do vastly less damage to roads, and greatly increase the capacity of road ways with Lane Splitting, and lane doubling.
You know what else is awesome about carbon capture gasoline? You don't need to cut it with Ethanol.
You really wanna make a statement about environmentalism? You wanna keep riding that big ole harley you got with that awesome exhaust note?
Stop politicizing science, and become a champion for carbon capture technologies.
Cars are going electric whether you want them too or not.
But motorcycles dont have too.
Play your cards right, and Harley might still be making Vtwins 100 years from now.
Ethanol free Bigtwin Harleys 100 years from now. Is that the future you want? Better start working for it.
It's not political BS. Science is apolitical. Yall are making it political by saying its political.
The question isnt about if EVs are better for the environment or not, because they are, there is no debating that.
The question is how long people are going to refuse to support renewables and carbon sinks.
Whats better than buying an EV? Not having one made at all and using a vehicle already produced.
A lot of people dont even know you can capture carbon emissions and make gasoline out of if.
Whats even better? Making that vehicle a motorcycle.
Motorcycles have huge advantages in evironmental friendliness that even the best EVs don't have. And that's size, and material budget.
Even the biggest harleys people ride here are clocking in at just under 900lbs. less than a 1/3rd that of a car. And not every biker rides a big CVO fat road glide.
Big Vtwins get great fuel economy and bikes take up smaller spaces, and do vastly less damage to roads, and greatly increase the capacity of road ways with Lane Splitting, and lane doubling.
You know what else is awesome about carbon capture gasoline? You don't need to cut it with Ethanol.
You really wanna make a statement about environmentalism? You wanna keep riding that big ole harley you got with that awesome exhaust note?
Stop politicizing science, and become a champion for carbon capture technologies.
Cars are going electric whether you want them too or not.
But motorcycles dont have too.
Play your cards right, and Harley might still be making Vtwins 100 years from now.
Ethanol free Bigtwin Harleys 100 years from now. Is that the future you want? Better start working for it.
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