Slip Ons for M8?
#13
10-13-2016, 11:24 AM
I don't own a M8 at this point, I think if you want your Harley to sound like a Harley then put on
Harley's aftermarket Mufflers. While you are at it put in a K&N air filter in the air cleaner that is
sold by the dealer. {Part #29400247 $65.95} That Is not quite a Stage-I, and are still all Harley parts.
The Milwaukee 8 engine is the new kid on the street, at some point in time the EPA will have SMOG checks on Motorcycles. The Motor Company has put it's eggs into the M8 basket so to speck, it is coming sooner then you think.
Harley's aftermarket Mufflers. While you are at it put in a K&N air filter in the air cleaner that is
sold by the dealer. {Part #29400247 $65.95} That Is not quite a Stage-I, and are still all Harley parts.
The Milwaukee 8 engine is the new kid on the street, at some point in time the EPA will have SMOG checks on Motorcycles. The Motor Company has put it's eggs into the M8 basket so to speck, it is coming sooner then you think.
#14
10-13-2016, 10:14 PM
Hi All,
Need some direction - I keep reading if we change the exhaust on our M8s other than using Harley's pipes, tuner and air we will void our warrenty.
I want more noise/ rumble out of my bike - can I just add slips ons without any of the EPA issues and not have to tune the bike?
Need some direction - I keep reading if we change the exhaust on our M8s other than using Harley's pipes, tuner and air we will void our warrenty.
I want more noise/ rumble out of my bike - can I just add slips ons without any of the EPA issues and not have to tune the bike?
#15
10-14-2016, 12:49 PM
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#16
10-14-2016, 12:53 PM
Big Kahuna HDF Member
#17
10-14-2016, 01:16 PM
Yeah. But it's a matter of your service manager's "opinion" also.
I know service managers at a couple dealers that WILL NOT put ANY aftermarket tuners on their bikes this year. Other service managers at two other dealers are doing everything as they did in the past.
Your warranty is provided through the factory, and only the factory. It's true that your local dealer (service manager) can "help" sometimes in this endeavor. But their help is limited through how they communicate with the factory. And it will ALWAYS be the decision of the factory that prevails, not the service manager. Unless of course you yourself have deep pockets and wish to test your position with your lawyer, concerning your choice of parts through the court system, arguing the Magnuson Moss act.
Frankly, every argument in any court comes down to "opinion" also. And opinions in court can be swayed with logic, money, argument, and politics.
With the recent EPA settlement by the factory, I do not believe it will be "business as usual" concerning OEM versus aftermarket parts, at least in the eyes of HD. No one on this or any other forum, nor any service manager, nor any attorney, can definitively tell you what argument may or may not win in court concerning these issues.
I'd say listen to the "opinion" of your service manager. Listen to the opinions of people on this and other forums. And listen to the "opinion" of any legal counsel you may have inexpensive access to. Then, make up your mind what level of risk you are willing to accept concerning your own pipes, A/C, tuner, cams, heads, et al.
I know that for the first time in riding Harleys for the last 30 years, I'm staying mainly HD for upgrades for the first two years. I do not have deep pockets, and I'm convinced that the legal and judicial climate in this country isn't one where common people have a high probability of success against the EPA in court.
Your opinion may vary.
Peace out....
I know service managers at a couple dealers that WILL NOT put ANY aftermarket tuners on their bikes this year. Other service managers at two other dealers are doing everything as they did in the past.
Your warranty is provided through the factory, and only the factory. It's true that your local dealer (service manager) can "help" sometimes in this endeavor. But their help is limited through how they communicate with the factory. And it will ALWAYS be the decision of the factory that prevails, not the service manager. Unless of course you yourself have deep pockets and wish to test your position with your lawyer, concerning your choice of parts through the court system, arguing the Magnuson Moss act.
Frankly, every argument in any court comes down to "opinion" also. And opinions in court can be swayed with logic, money, argument, and politics.
With the recent EPA settlement by the factory, I do not believe it will be "business as usual" concerning OEM versus aftermarket parts, at least in the eyes of HD. No one on this or any other forum, nor any service manager, nor any attorney, can definitively tell you what argument may or may not win in court concerning these issues.
I'd say listen to the "opinion" of your service manager. Listen to the opinions of people on this and other forums. And listen to the "opinion" of any legal counsel you may have inexpensive access to. Then, make up your mind what level of risk you are willing to accept concerning your own pipes, A/C, tuner, cams, heads, et al.
I know that for the first time in riding Harleys for the last 30 years, I'm staying mainly HD for upgrades for the first two years. I do not have deep pockets, and I'm convinced that the legal and judicial climate in this country isn't one where common people have a high probability of success against the EPA in court.
Your opinion may vary.
Peace out....
#18
10-14-2016, 06:15 PM
Grand HDF Member
can I just add slips ons without any of the EPA issues and not have to tune the bike?
Yes you can.
Mufflers are not considered emission control devices. Not even here in CA. Several aftermarket companies (like RCX) already have them on their website. They only require CARB or EPA approval on some of the older HD models that had the thermal reactors in the mufflers. If you don't change the head pipe and leave the cat in place, you'll be fine. You won't void your warranty and the sky will not fall on you.
Keep in mind that the language in the EPA settlement only addresses the unapproved tuners.
Yes you can.
Mufflers are not considered emission control devices. Not even here in CA. Several aftermarket companies (like RCX) already have them on their website. They only require CARB or EPA approval on some of the older HD models that had the thermal reactors in the mufflers. If you don't change the head pipe and leave the cat in place, you'll be fine. You won't void your warranty and the sky will not fall on you.
Keep in mind that the language in the EPA settlement only addresses the unapproved tuners.
Last edited by dribble; 10-14-2016 at 06:30 PM.
#19
10-14-2016, 07:14 PM
can I just add slips ons without any of the EPA issues and not have to tune the bike?
Yes you can.
Mufflers are not considered emission control devices. Not even here in CA. Several aftermarket companies (like RCX) already have them on their website. They only require CARB or EPA approval on some of the older HD models that had the thermal reactors in the mufflers. If you don't change the head pipe and leave the cat in place, you'll be fine. You won't void your warranty and the sky will not fall on you.
Keep in mind that the language in the EPA settlement only addresses the unapproved tuners.
Yes you can.
Mufflers are not considered emission control devices. Not even here in CA. Several aftermarket companies (like RCX) already have them on their website. They only require CARB or EPA approval on some of the older HD models that had the thermal reactors in the mufflers. If you don't change the head pipe and leave the cat in place, you'll be fine. You won't void your warranty and the sky will not fall on you.
Keep in mind that the language in the EPA settlement only addresses the unapproved tuners.
If you put "off road use only" exhaust like we always have you will not be EPA compliant, and if you drop a valve they will blame it on the slip-ons..
Those dealers that say business as usual I believe will be a short lived dealers. Dealers are not a franchise and are privately owned.. If the Mother says you will display your clothes like we say, and they ignore this advice they will not send them cloths.. as I see it the same applies w EPA ruling, this is why most dealers are not even stocking aftermarket none EPA, to keep the Mother happy.
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