Dealer selling new bike with Aftermarket catless exhaust
#11
That particular dealer may be overlooking the catless exhaust but anyone who buys it are taking a chance on breaking down on the road and the next dealer reporting the change to emissions to harley as they are supposed to thus harley will not honor a warranty claim on your ride for the powertrain this has been talked about for several months now. We know the rules and the consequences of the rules its a risk some are willing to make and others are not.
Last edited by mjwebb; 04-23-2017 at 03:40 PM.
#12
Absolutely. I recently posted that my dealer told me that part of the EPA fiasco, dealers may only do EPA compliant downloads now,
#13
#14
Being tuned to run as clean as ( or better ) in no way relates to the legality of removing, modifying or rendering inoperative ) ANY federally mandated pollution control device. Long story ( so I won't go into the details ) but I spent a great deal of time in the automotive industry dealing with exhaust .
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...hsysrepair.pdf
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...hsysrepair.pdf
#15
Unless they will sign a statement that they will repair any failure stay away.
HD is under a Federal Court ordered 4 year consent decree to VOID yes VOID any any warranty on a 17 and later H-D with aftermarket tuners and non compliant parts along with the $15 million dollar settlement. They are required to report all warranty work from last january on to EPA.
That is even if the part had no bearing on the failure.
No way will H-D warranty an EPA non compliant bike.
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...avidson-cd.pdf
Read the link. The decree is not hard reading.
The one thing the court did is legislate. Magnusson-Moss warranty act will not apply to any H-D for the next four years.
HD is under a Federal Court ordered 4 year consent decree to VOID yes VOID any any warranty on a 17 and later H-D with aftermarket tuners and non compliant parts along with the $15 million dollar settlement. They are required to report all warranty work from last january on to EPA.
That is even if the part had no bearing on the failure.
No way will H-D warranty an EPA non compliant bike.
https://www.epa.gov/sites/production...avidson-cd.pdf
Read the link. The decree is not hard reading.
The one thing the court did is legislate. Magnusson-Moss warranty act will not apply to any H-D for the next four years.
Last edited by lh4x4; 04-23-2017 at 07:46 PM.
#16
I am in no way under the illusion that this dealership is anything but fly by night, however they are an authorized Harley franchise. It's not a small shop either. They have a lot of bikes and do financing for anyone at inflated rates. I bought my bike elsewhere, but this place is close to my home. I was absolutely amazed that they would do such a thing as sell a brand new bike with an aftermarket exhaust missing a cat. I realize that that will only void the warranty on the power train per the "agreement" with the EPA. I'm also never surprised at the ignorance of the sales staff at this shop. He had no idea of even what a tuner was, so I don't know what they tuned it with if anything.
#17
So even if you change out exhaust to V&H and use the HD Pro Street tuner(which HD says is EPA compliant), you void your powertrain warranty? I have seen numerous dealers with modified new bikes on the floor. I find it hard to believe they would sell new bikes knowing the warranty is void, or sell parts that void warranty and not tell the customer or lie and say it does not void warranty. I could see lawsuits over this.
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The one thing the court did is legislate. Magnusson-Moss warranty act will not apply to any H-D for the next four years.
#20
So even if you change out exhaust to V&H and use the HD Pro Street tuner(which HD says is EPA compliant), you void your powertrain warranty? I have seen numerous dealers with modified new bikes on the floor. I find it hard to believe they would sell new bikes knowing the warranty is void, or sell parts that void warranty and not tell the customer or lie and say it does not void warranty. I could see lawsuits over this.