If the trans oil is migrating into the primary thru the rod that move the clutch pak, wouldn't a valve stem spring loaded type seal cure that?.,,,

 

Nah, just need to add some stop leak.

 

The longer this migration issue goes unfixed the more convinced I am that the design and mechanical engineers that developed this transmission DO KNOW what is causing this issue. To believe that after this long (9 or 10 months) since it was reported in this forum alone and no solution has been found is just not believable.
After this long, any sane person would have to conclude that the real reason they have not announced a fix is because of cost. They simply do not want to spend the money to fix the fluid migration on the bikes that have shipped in the last 12 or 13 months.

My guess is that they are hoping and gambling that riders will continue to buy new bikes and believe that they will be fixed if something goes wrong. They "might" be fixed unless it costs a lot of money to remedy it, in which case they will gloss over it and claim the problem to be normal. To tell new owners that they should check their transmissions every 1000 miles is outrageous. I say to either fix the sobs or buy em back. If they had to start buying them back I can almost guarantee that a "fix" would be released pretty damn quick.

If we are ever going to get our transmission fixed it will have to happen because people quit buying their new touring bikes. Remember that as far as we know the new soft tails are not transferring fluid because they don't have hydraulic clutches in them. Hydraulic clutches are the common denominator in the oil transfer bikes.

The Feds don't get involved in recalls unless there is a "Safety Issue". I have not heard of an instance where a transmission has actually locked up and the resulting skid led to personal injury or death for the rider. It may have occurred already and we just don't know about it yet. The manufacturers tend to sit on those kinds of lawsuits pretty tightly. The preferred method being to settle out of court and clamp a lid on everything. Unless owners develop some "outrage" and complain to dealers about this issue it will be sweep under the carpet and forgotten about. If enough dealers complain to the MOCO about customer feedback and problems, that might swing the pendulum in our favor. As of 5 days ago I have now sucked out primary fluid a total of 4 times and put it back into the transmission where it came from. I did not buy a new motorcycle to have to work and watch it all the time.

 

Can't seal it; the primary vents through the transmission mainshaft where the clutch pushrod is located.

The cable clutch setups used to have an oil slinger that are not present in the hydraulic setups.

 

A cable conversion to test as a "fix" would be telling, but I certainly woudn't want to be the guinea pig and then there's the warranty issue.

Will be interesting to see feedback on the 18 Softails as they are cable clutch. Bet they don't transfer. Wouldn't be surprising that's why they are cable.

 

 

I like the product. Just don’t have any faith in the producer. I don’t visit here for the MOCO, I visit for the interaction with the people I’ve gotten to know here over the years. Fortunately for me, I don’t need, nor do I seek your approval.

 

I must be one of the lucky ones then. Otoh, I drained all the MO CO oil at 250 miles and switched to Redline. So far, so good. I check it once a week.

 

All that I know is that last year alone I put over 10,000 miles on my 17 RGS and not one drop of oil migrated from the trans to the primary. Not many miles on my 18 Fat Bob 114 M8 yet.

With the complaints in the past on scissoring cranks, warped brake discs, trans main shaft bearings, cam chain followers, sumping, oil transferring and on and on just why with over 400K on over 30 H-D's why haven't I experience one single issue. I have touring the North American Continent in the past 15 years and have called Harleys the gas and go bikes. As they have always gotten me home every time. Well except the 17 Street Rod that a fuel pump went bad on my way to Laughlin River Run.

Could the care, maintenance and operation of the bike have anything to do with it? On this forum it is always H-D's fault. But I suspect that the ride it like you stole it crowd has some blame for busting crap up periodically.

 

Approval for what? What part of our interaction up to this point led you to believe you needed some sort of approval for something? You have no faith in the manufacturer of a product or it’s product it produces so you jumped ship to another. Yet you still frequent a forum dedicated to the manufacturer of said product you have no faith in. You’re a hypocrit plain and simple. You claim to frequent the forum because you like the comradery yet you post negative comments in sections of the forum about specific products you neither own nor know anything about. Owning an Indian means every single post you make on here about a Harley Davidson product is null & void. Truth is you’ve probably lost friends because you bought an Indian lol!!!

Think of all the friends you could make back over on the Indian forum talking about a product you own and know something about or simply ******* on HD. Just makes sense