M8 sumping issues are fake
#131
4th engine.
If you are referring to me and my latest engine (4th) I NEVER stated I had ANY evidence that the engine case was redesigned on the latest M8 engines. I stated facts that you can use to reach any conclusion you wish:
1) my original 2017 CVO Limited (Oct 2016) engine with Stage IV kit (dealer installed -Feb 2017) sumped and failed after 4500 miles (warranty covered)
2) the 2nd engine from June 2017 with stage IV kit (dealer installed) sumped and failed after only 500 miles (warranty covered)
3) the 3rd engine from Aug 2017 was ridden in stock form (114) for 2000 miles and in March 2018 was returned to Stage IV under warranty
4) this 3rd engine with Dealer installed Stage IV kit sumped and failed in a few hundred miles (warranty covered)
5) HD built a complete Stage IV 117 engine at the factory and shipped it (April 2018) for installation by my dealer (fully covered under warranty).
6) this engine has run for 2000 miles. I posted pics of the case part #s and engine # from the factory engine. It does not match any part # for any M8 in ANY HD parts catalogue.
7) same rider, same riding conditions, no sumping on this 4th engine
8) I have no idea what if any changes were made to the internals of this 4th stage IV engine as it was assembled as a complete engine including TB, injectors and plumbing at the factory. There was even left over fuel in the lines which clearly meant it was run on a dyno
9) my dealer told me it was a 2019 engine based on the engine code
10) I’ve seen posts that dozens of others in the past 2 months have received “similar” replacement engines.
11) If Harley HAS made case changes to these replacement engines, only they would know. The rest of us won’t know till the 2019 bikes, Service manuals and parts diagrams are released to the public in late Aug 2018.
These my friend, are the facts. Reach whatever conclusion you want as to what they mean, but the facts are the facts.
1) my original 2017 CVO Limited (Oct 2016) engine with Stage IV kit (dealer installed -Feb 2017) sumped and failed after 4500 miles (warranty covered)
2) the 2nd engine from June 2017 with stage IV kit (dealer installed) sumped and failed after only 500 miles (warranty covered)
3) the 3rd engine from Aug 2017 was ridden in stock form (114) for 2000 miles and in March 2018 was returned to Stage IV under warranty
4) this 3rd engine with Dealer installed Stage IV kit sumped and failed in a few hundred miles (warranty covered)
5) HD built a complete Stage IV 117 engine at the factory and shipped it (April 2018) for installation by my dealer (fully covered under warranty).
6) this engine has run for 2000 miles. I posted pics of the case part #s and engine # from the factory engine. It does not match any part # for any M8 in ANY HD parts catalogue.
7) same rider, same riding conditions, no sumping on this 4th engine
8) I have no idea what if any changes were made to the internals of this 4th stage IV engine as it was assembled as a complete engine including TB, injectors and plumbing at the factory. There was even left over fuel in the lines which clearly meant it was run on a dyno
9) my dealer told me it was a 2019 engine based on the engine code
10) I’ve seen posts that dozens of others in the past 2 months have received “similar” replacement engines.
11) If Harley HAS made case changes to these replacement engines, only they would know. The rest of us won’t know till the 2019 bikes, Service manuals and parts diagrams are released to the public in late Aug 2018.
These my friend, are the facts. Reach whatever conclusion you want as to what they mean, but the facts are the facts.
#132
While that's possible, the 3rd Stage IV build was assembled at the dealership with onsite Tech support from HD, so it was assembled precisely as it would have been at the factory. The only major difference between #3 stage IV engine and the one built at the factory (#4) was that the engine case in #3 was built at the factory in early August 2017 and #4 engine case was built with the latest components and any changes that were incorporated into the M8 engine in April/May 2018. Unfortunately it is not known what those changes might be without opening up engine #4. Its my opinion (and only my opinion without any facts other than engine #4 runs great) that the 2019 M8 engines will have design upgrades that will address both sumping and fluid transfer issues that folks have been experiencing. Its also my belief that the latest engines being released from the factory BEFORE the launch of the 2019 bikes already have these design improvements incorporated into them.
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#135
Sumping Wrong
The sumping issue is real. I've owned 2017 with stage 3 and stage 4. (Yes both builds) and no, not at the same time. Sumped.
Now I own a 2019 CVO with stage 4 and it has sumped 3 times.
No FIX IN SIGHT.
Before I bought it asked the service guy, did they fix the sumoing issue? He said "oh yeah its fixed"
LIES.
Buyer beware.
Now I own a 2019 CVO with stage 4 and it has sumped 3 times.
No FIX IN SIGHT.
Before I bought it asked the service guy, did they fix the sumoing issue? He said "oh yeah its fixed"
LIES.
Buyer beware.
#136
The sumping issue is real. I've owned 2017 with stage 3 and stage 4. (Yes both builds) and no, not at the same time. Sumped.
Now I own a 2019 CVO with stage 4 and it has sumped 3 times.
No FIX IN SIGHT.
Before I bought it asked the service guy, did they fix the sumoing issue? He said "oh yeah its fixed"
LIES.
Buyer beware.
Now I own a 2019 CVO with stage 4 and it has sumped 3 times.
No FIX IN SIGHT.
Before I bought it asked the service guy, did they fix the sumoing issue? He said "oh yeah its fixed"
LIES.
Buyer beware.
#137
SAD sumping song
The sumping issue is real. I've owned 2017 with stage 3 and stage 4. (Yes both builds) and no, not at the same time. Sumped.
Now I own a 2019 CVO with stage 4 and it has sumped 3 times.
No FIX IN SIGHT.
Before I bought it asked the service guy, did they fix the sumoing issue? He said "oh yeah its fixed"
LIES.
Buyer beware.
Now I own a 2019 CVO with stage 4 and it has sumped 3 times.
No FIX IN SIGHT.
Before I bought it asked the service guy, did they fix the sumoing issue? He said "oh yeah its fixed"
LIES.
Buyer beware.
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GPHDXLC (02-27-2019)
#138
The sumping issue is real. I've owned 2017 with stage 3 and stage 4. (Yes both builds) and no, not at the same time. Sumped.
Now I own a 2019 CVO with stage 4 and it has sumped 3 times.
No FIX IN SIGHT.
Before I bought it asked the service guy, did they fix the sumoing issue? He said "oh yeah its fixed"
LIES.
Buyer beware.
Now I own a 2019 CVO with stage 4 and it has sumped 3 times.
No FIX IN SIGHT.
Before I bought it asked the service guy, did they fix the sumoing issue? He said "oh yeah its fixed"
LIES.
Buyer beware.
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Peter Quinn (02-27-2019)
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