117 Cvo Limited....2nd engine in 2000 miles
#51
10-02-2018, 12:11 PM
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A-man to that. I just saw a good friend go through this with a trike and it wasn't good. He's retired and rode alot but his bike was down for 2 months because of this issue and I will not trade because of this BS the mothership is dishing out. I'm just glad they have redisgned the water pumps the 2014's through 2016 models, at least one step in the right direction I guess. LOL
#52
10-02-2018, 01:19 PM
That adds to the mystery. Why it took 5500 miles to do it. I trust that they are frantic. It’s just a much bigger and complex issue then most people can appreciate. There is nothing in it for them to continue to have these issues. There is an art form to rectifying an issue like this within the boundaries of certification and costs. They will not self bankrupt themselves nor will they violate clear EPA requirements. That is where the elegance comes in. Only time will tell. Thanks for the feedback.
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#53
10-03-2018, 07:15 AM
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Im about to pull my hair out but i cant. Im bald. Im 58 years old been riding harleys since 1980.
i figured id treat myself to a new 2018 CVO Limited with the 117 C.I. engine. And i did. At 600 miles the oil pump sumped and bike overheated and died. Bike went to dealer. I went to Uber with my girl and went home.
Oil pump was changed for the "revised" oil pump and two weeks later i got my bike back.
The bike ran until 700 miles then the engine started to sound like it was coming apart. Back i go to dealer. This time the cam assembly bracket had cracked. They replaced both.
Why no recall or bulliten on this i dont know. They replaced it or them not sure with a "redesigned" bracket.
How there was a redesigned improved bracket in july when i just took delivery end of April i dont know.
On the dealers test of the brand new top end it overheated again at 13 miles. They also found the pistons scoring the walls of the cylinders. I requested a new engine from millwalkie. They said sorry. I begged. They said sorry.
i posted this story on the stockholders web site and 3 days later i had a new engine. Problem solved. No.
With new engine on 75 degree day riding 1 up the bike again overheated to 308 degrees and sumped. The bike was full of oil cold before i left the house. I was on the return leg of 200 mile day and the bike got sluggish on the highway.
i pulled over and checked the engine temp it was 308 degrees and there was no oil on the stick meaning at least a quart of oil was sumped and stuck up in the engine not able to find its way down to the pan.
Shes back at the dealer now and they said the cylinders are also scored again. They have a few 117's doing this and the fact that an engine replacement didnt fix this issue is concerning.
The bike will be down about 8 weeks in total since end of April.
I love this bike. It is the most powerfull bike ive ever had and the most gorgeous machine ever....but....it is unreliable as is the Factories ability to get to the root cause.
wish me luck...
thanks
i figured id treat myself to a new 2018 CVO Limited with the 117 C.I. engine. And i did. At 600 miles the oil pump sumped and bike overheated and died. Bike went to dealer. I went to Uber with my girl and went home.
Oil pump was changed for the "revised" oil pump and two weeks later i got my bike back.
The bike ran until 700 miles then the engine started to sound like it was coming apart. Back i go to dealer. This time the cam assembly bracket had cracked. They replaced both.
Why no recall or bulliten on this i dont know. They replaced it or them not sure with a "redesigned" bracket.
How there was a redesigned improved bracket in july when i just took delivery end of April i dont know.
On the dealers test of the brand new top end it overheated again at 13 miles. They also found the pistons scoring the walls of the cylinders. I requested a new engine from millwalkie. They said sorry. I begged. They said sorry.
i posted this story on the stockholders web site and 3 days later i had a new engine. Problem solved. No.
With new engine on 75 degree day riding 1 up the bike again overheated to 308 degrees and sumped. The bike was full of oil cold before i left the house. I was on the return leg of 200 mile day and the bike got sluggish on the highway.
i pulled over and checked the engine temp it was 308 degrees and there was no oil on the stick meaning at least a quart of oil was sumped and stuck up in the engine not able to find its way down to the pan.
Shes back at the dealer now and they said the cylinders are also scored again. They have a few 117's doing this and the fact that an engine replacement didnt fix this issue is concerning.
The bike will be down about 8 weeks in total since end of April.
I love this bike. It is the most powerfull bike ive ever had and the most gorgeous machine ever....but....it is unreliable as is the Factories ability to get to the root cause.
wish me luck...
thanks
#54
10-03-2018, 07:32 AM
Its all about the heat. Full crankcase of oil that should have less than 6 ounces will eventually have the oil boiling. All that heat caused by friction expands metals and degrades the lubrication properties of the oil. Waaalaaaa, scored cylinder walls.
#55
10-03-2018, 09:18 AM
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I'm sorry to see yet another thread like this.
The M8's are ate up with bad engineering, production and parts sourcing. My dealership owner went to the Mothership and chewed on HQ's butt about how bad the M8 launch has been and the massive warranty issues they have had to deal with just before the 2019 launch party. The consent decree, warranties being voided and how HD has been screwing the heck out of loyal and new customers. The dealer itself is not losing customers because they are a multiline dealer. So they put riders on Hondas or Suzuki's and the customers end up happy in the long run. They have been a HD dealer since the late 1950's. I can remember the dealership in the mid 1960's as a little boy. I'm still waiting on the revised clutch lever for the left bar switch pack. I've ordered the oil pump plate and o-ring on my own dime. Lord only knows how long that will take to ship and the adjustable rockers.
There is no doubt at my dealer, this is the worse new motor launch in my dealers history concerning HD. The problems are much more widespread than people think they are and used M8's have flooded the market at historic levels.
The M8's are ate up with bad engineering, production and parts sourcing. My dealership owner went to the Mothership and chewed on HQ's butt about how bad the M8 launch has been and the massive warranty issues they have had to deal with just before the 2019 launch party. The consent decree, warranties being voided and how HD has been screwing the heck out of loyal and new customers. The dealer itself is not losing customers because they are a multiline dealer. So they put riders on Hondas or Suzuki's and the customers end up happy in the long run. They have been a HD dealer since the late 1950's. I can remember the dealership in the mid 1960's as a little boy. I'm still waiting on the revised clutch lever for the left bar switch pack. I've ordered the oil pump plate and o-ring on my own dime. Lord only knows how long that will take to ship and the adjustable rockers.
There is no doubt at my dealer, this is the worse new motor launch in my dealers history concerning HD. The problems are much more widespread than people think they are and used M8's have flooded the market at historic levels.
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#58
10-03-2018, 01:34 PM
I'm sorry to see yet another thread like this.
The M8's are ate up with bad engineering, production and parts sourcing. My dealership owner went to the Mothership and chewed on HQ's butt about how bad the M8 launch has been and the massive warranty issues they have had to deal with just before the 2019 launch party. The consent decree, warranties being voided and how HD has been screwing the heck out of loyal and new customers. The dealer itself is not losing customers because they are a multiline dealer. So they put riders on Hondas or Suzuki's and the customers end up happy in the long run. They have been a HD dealer since the late 1950's. I can remember the dealership in the mid 1960's as a little boy. I'm still waiting on the revised clutch lever for the left bar switch pack. I've ordered the oil pump plate and o-ring on my own dime. Lord only knows how long that will take to ship and the adjustable rockers.
There is no doubt at my dealer, this is the worse new motor launch in my dealers history concerning HD. The problems are much more widespread than people think they are and used M8's have flooded the market at historic levels.
The M8's are ate up with bad engineering, production and parts sourcing. My dealership owner went to the Mothership and chewed on HQ's butt about how bad the M8 launch has been and the massive warranty issues they have had to deal with just before the 2019 launch party. The consent decree, warranties being voided and how HD has been screwing the heck out of loyal and new customers. The dealer itself is not losing customers because they are a multiline dealer. So they put riders on Hondas or Suzuki's and the customers end up happy in the long run. They have been a HD dealer since the late 1950's. I can remember the dealership in the mid 1960's as a little boy. I'm still waiting on the revised clutch lever for the left bar switch pack. I've ordered the oil pump plate and o-ring on my own dime. Lord only knows how long that will take to ship and the adjustable rockers.
There is no doubt at my dealer, this is the worse new motor launch in my dealers history concerning HD. The problems are much more widespread than people think they are and used M8's have flooded the market at historic levels.
#59
10-03-2018, 02:05 PM
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Than there are the 98 % of us that just flat ride the ship out the m8. This reported stumping sounds awful fishy....NJ and 3 posts? Maybe our favorite stumper knows his ip addresses are being checked. Lol.... Even wording is close . Sorry not buying this one . The post was purposely DUMMED UP..... CAM bracket? Really...... Lmfao again.
#60
10-03-2018, 02:07 PM
Than there are the 98 % of us that just flat ride the ship out the m8. This reported stumping sounds awful fishy....NJ and 3 posts? Maybe our favorite stumper knows his ip addresses are being checked. Lol.... Even wording is close . Sorry not buying this one . The post was purposely DUMMED UP..... CAM bracket? Really...... Lmfao again.
Last edited by Heatwave; 10-03-2018 at 02:17 PM.