Update on "matching bikes, one hot, one not.
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Lucas has evolved, and have good products. Don't lose faith.
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I think the "dramatic increase" is placebo effect.
Lucas oil has been around forever...and we've all seen the white plastic wheels and manual hand crank demo device.
Good marketing ploy...and if we end up with bikes/cars that have plastic gears and can turn a few rpm a minute (as fast as you can turn that crank by hand), along with generating zero heat, it would be an oil savior.
But...it's not relevant.
In case you live under a rock, here it is.
Lucas oil has been around forever...and we've all seen the white plastic wheels and manual hand crank demo device.
Good marketing ploy...and if we end up with bikes/cars that have plastic gears and can turn a few rpm a minute (as fast as you can turn that crank by hand), along with generating zero heat, it would be an oil savior.
But...it's not relevant.
In case you live under a rock, here it is.
#14
Ah yes folks, once again our HD Forum police and fuel additive experts have saved all of us beer money by exposing capitalist advertising tactics of "Big Oil". Or was it fuel additive. These keyboard engineers have saved us pennies on "snake oil" purchases. Never mind that this product is carried on shelves in every auto part store in the country. They are content to pour Syn 3 into all three holes because the Moco sells it and sign up for their 5 year warranty to protect themselves from dead batteries. Yes folks, we can all sleep better knowing these sleuths have got our backs.
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Ah yes folks, once again our HD Forum police and fuel additive experts have saved all of us beer money by exposing capitalist advertising tactics of "Big Oil". Or was it fuel additive. These keyboard engineers have saved us pennies on "snake oil" purchases. Never mind that this product is carried on shelves in every auto part store in the country. They are content to pour Syn 3 into all three holes because the Moco sells it and sign up for their 5 year warranty to protect themselves from dead batteries. Yes folks, we can all sleep better knowing these sleuths have got our backs.
The irony in you calling me a forum police, yet acting like your magic in the bottle can possibly do what it says...if down right funny.
Then assuming Syn3 is the choice for all...even better.
I think I need to buy stock, any company with a fuel additive that somehow affects oil affected parts clearly is using technology unheard of by any of those other companies putting products on the shelves everywhere.
Look, you wanna claim putting that bottle in you gas tank allows you to date super models, golf a scratch game and have a full head of hair...so be it.
But c'mon... Fuel additive quieting down valvetrain?
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Actually, the whole forum is thankful for letting us know of ALL those other thousands of products on the shelves are snake oil but you've found the golden unicorn that you pour in a gas tank that magically quiets a motor's valve train, which it never touches.
The irony in you calling me a forum police, yet acting like your magic in the bottle can possibly do what it says...if down right funny.
Then assuming Syn3 is the choice for all...even better.
I think I need to buy stock, any company with a fuel additive that somehow affects oil affected parts clearly is using technology unheard of by any of those other companies putting products on the shelves everywhere.
Look, you wanna claim putting that bottle in you gas tank allows you to date super models, golf a scratch game and have a full head of hair...so be it.
But c'mon... Fuel additive quieting down valvetrain?
The irony in you calling me a forum police, yet acting like your magic in the bottle can possibly do what it says...if down right funny.
Then assuming Syn3 is the choice for all...even better.
I think I need to buy stock, any company with a fuel additive that somehow affects oil affected parts clearly is using technology unheard of by any of those other companies putting products on the shelves everywhere.
Look, you wanna claim putting that bottle in you gas tank allows you to date super models, golf a scratch game and have a full head of hair...so be it.
But c'mon... Fuel additive quieting down valvetrain?
cooled engines shares bits of inexpensive knowledge prolonging engine life and performance. Then comes some smarmy *** who tries to mock them by misquoting and innuendo's. I posted twice the parts affected which you choose to ignore. Unless you can provide me with an engineering degree in lubrications your opinion is garbage.
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You made a post extolling the properties of some stuff you dumped into your gas tank, I asked you a question and you responded with what looks like a sales pitch for the product.
It`s a public forum and everyone can voice their opinion, were you expecting everyone to buy into your post?
Have a nice day.
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Lucas does make good products, no doubt. The OP's claim of a quieter valvetrain coming from a product poured in gasoline is his perception, however misguided. The physics just aren't there. All the clattery bits of the valvetrain are not going to be improved by anything burned in the combustion chamber. Nothing else to say about that.
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[QUOTE=Two Lane Tramp;19341006]
#2 Put 2 ounces of Lucas top end lubricant per tank. It keeps the valve train quiet and I think it helps it to run cooler.
/QUOTE]
I don't want to accused of misquoting, so here. Since you're an expert in air cooled engines and lubrication, explain how the top end lube passing through valves quiets valve train. I'm not the only one calling you out on it, so let's hear it.
If top end lube somehow quiets the opening and closing noise of the intake valves against the seat...we'd all love to know how you isolated this as a noise you could hear and how it could quiet it.
Please enlighten us. That's not being smarmy, that's asking for facts. Let's hear 'em.
While you're at it, post up all the engine failures for running loaded down two up because octane booster wasn't used.
I'm not saying the engines aren't lean from the factory, but show us proof of failures while you're at it.
How about some dyno or other failure point numbers, seat of the pants doesn't make it fact. Placebo, doesn't make it fact.
Thank you. My point exactly.
And other's pointed out the same.
I will concede 100% OP's first point. TwinCooled blows hot air right on your foot/leg if your road pegs are lower than the exhaust holes in the lower fairings...kinda sucks, but oh well.
#2 Put 2 ounces of Lucas top end lubricant per tank. It keeps the valve train quiet and I think it helps it to run cooler.
/QUOTE]
I don't want to accused of misquoting, so here. Since you're an expert in air cooled engines and lubrication, explain how the top end lube passing through valves quiets valve train. I'm not the only one calling you out on it, so let's hear it.
If top end lube somehow quiets the opening and closing noise of the intake valves against the seat...we'd all love to know how you isolated this as a noise you could hear and how it could quiet it.
Please enlighten us. That's not being smarmy, that's asking for facts. Let's hear 'em.
While you're at it, post up all the engine failures for running loaded down two up because octane booster wasn't used.
I'm not saying the engines aren't lean from the factory, but show us proof of failures while you're at it.
How about some dyno or other failure point numbers, seat of the pants doesn't make it fact. Placebo, doesn't make it fact.
Lucas does make good products, no doubt. The OP's claim of a quieter valvetrain coming from a product poured in gasoline is his perception, however misguided. The physics just aren't there. All the clattery bits of the valvetrain are not going to be improved by anything burned in the combustion chamber. Nothing else to say about that.
And other's pointed out the same.
I will concede 100% OP's first point. TwinCooled blows hot air right on your foot/leg if your road pegs are lower than the exhaust holes in the lower fairings...kinda sucks, but oh well.
Last edited by dajogejr; 08-20-2020 at 04:35 PM.