ok well a thunderheader is starting to sound pretty good but I read some where that the thunderheader was notorious for a torque dip in the low end does any body know if this is true and if so am I going to even notice it... and also I have been listening to the clips of the d and d fatcat... I am not sure I like the sound anyway thanks for your input everybody anymore input would be appreciated... also warg the buffalo bars are they different from the wild ones as far as design just curious I have beach bars now considering switching to some 12.5 apes