Black Dust on the Rocker Mag
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Black Dust on the Rocker Mag
Don't know if it has happened to anyone else or not but I finally figured out that it ain't from the brake pads. If you jack it up and spin the back tire, you'll hear the faint sound of rubber on rubber.
If you slide your hand up between the tire and the inside of the rear fender you'll feel that the rubber "cableway," that protects the wires from the plastic conduit from the bottom from of the fender to the brake/blinker lights, is actually laying on the tire. The black dust is just the cableway being ground to powder by the rear tire.
I caught it before it actually rubbed through. All I did was remove the fender (four bolts and unplug the brake/blinker lights) clean it, and the cableway up, apply "Gorilla Glue" as directed, weighed it down so it bonded to the fender, let it dry good (2 hrs) and reinstalled the fender.
I checked to make sure that the glue didn't kick-off some chemical reaction and screw up the paint on the topside before I wrote this so I wouldn't mess up anyone else's bike.
I guess it's possible that I have the only Rocker C that didn't get it's fair share of fender cable raceway glue but I thought I'd let someone else know just in case......
If you slide your hand up between the tire and the inside of the rear fender you'll feel that the rubber "cableway," that protects the wires from the plastic conduit from the bottom from of the fender to the brake/blinker lights, is actually laying on the tire. The black dust is just the cableway being ground to powder by the rear tire.
I caught it before it actually rubbed through. All I did was remove the fender (four bolts and unplug the brake/blinker lights) clean it, and the cableway up, apply "Gorilla Glue" as directed, weighed it down so it bonded to the fender, let it dry good (2 hrs) and reinstalled the fender.
I checked to make sure that the glue didn't kick-off some chemical reaction and screw up the paint on the topside before I wrote this so I wouldn't mess up anyone else's bike.
I guess it's possible that I have the only Rocker C that didn't get it's fair share of fender cable raceway glue but I thought I'd let someone else know just in case......
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Thanks for the heads up !!!
I have a roc, do not have that problem yet I think but I will check it often.
What made you decide it was not brake dust?
And sorry to say that gorilla glue will eventually fail.
Here’s why;
In order to glue a non porous surface to a porous surface.
Or 2 non porous surfaces together you need a cohesive bond.
Example; when you fold a bumper sticker to it self you stick 2 surfaces together = cohesive bond. you will not get them apart.
Take the same sticker & stick it to a bumper = non-cohesive bond & they will come apart, you may have to scrape it off & ruin it but it will come apart.
That’s why when you glue 2 pieces of wood together you put glue on both pieces.
Totally irrelevant but cheap furniture & building products are glued non cohesively.
Anywayz you will need glue that will stick to many surfaces & does not require cohesive bonding and that will not reach the hard tinsel strength of gorilla glue
we will save the lesson of tinsel strength but think of spark plug one of the strongest porcelain coats on a part.
but when stressed enough they will crack because the atoms when stressed break apart instead of sticking together.
A different type of polyurethane glue will work better.
It is called PL construction adhesive and the tube is yellow/orange & black it comes in a 10oz caulk tube only.
It needs 2 surfaces to bond (if you glue it to one it won’t stick)
But it has the same tinsel strength as metal (the atoms want to stay together when stressed and they flex)
The only reason metal fails is because of heat, ever break a coat hanger by bending it over and over again?
Make sure every thing is clean and glue it up with something holding pressure over night and don’t get it on your skin it takes a week to wear off.
Sorry for the babbling it is late & once I get started I can’t stop. LOL
I have a roc, do not have that problem yet I think but I will check it often.
What made you decide it was not brake dust?
And sorry to say that gorilla glue will eventually fail.
Here’s why;
In order to glue a non porous surface to a porous surface.
Or 2 non porous surfaces together you need a cohesive bond.
Example; when you fold a bumper sticker to it self you stick 2 surfaces together = cohesive bond. you will not get them apart.
Take the same sticker & stick it to a bumper = non-cohesive bond & they will come apart, you may have to scrape it off & ruin it but it will come apart.
That’s why when you glue 2 pieces of wood together you put glue on both pieces.
Totally irrelevant but cheap furniture & building products are glued non cohesively.
Anywayz you will need glue that will stick to many surfaces & does not require cohesive bonding and that will not reach the hard tinsel strength of gorilla glue
we will save the lesson of tinsel strength but think of spark plug one of the strongest porcelain coats on a part.
but when stressed enough they will crack because the atoms when stressed break apart instead of sticking together.
A different type of polyurethane glue will work better.
It is called PL construction adhesive and the tube is yellow/orange & black it comes in a 10oz caulk tube only.
It needs 2 surfaces to bond (if you glue it to one it won’t stick)
But it has the same tinsel strength as metal (the atoms want to stay together when stressed and they flex)
The only reason metal fails is because of heat, ever break a coat hanger by bending it over and over again?
Make sure every thing is clean and glue it up with something holding pressure over night and don’t get it on your skin it takes a week to wear off.
Sorry for the babbling it is late & once I get started I can’t stop. LOL
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thanx for checking the post out. I have been thinking about going "Heartland." I just wish I could keep the original fender. I think HD did a great job on the paint (I've got the same color you do) but I don't know if I could find someone in my area (Mobile/Pascagoula Miss) that could match it.
#5
Thanks for the heads up !!!
I have a roc, do not have that problem yet I think but I will check it often.
What made you decide it was not brake dust?
And sorry to say that gorilla glue will eventually fail.
Here’s why;
In order to glue a non porous surface to a porous surface.
Or 2 non porous surfaces together you need a cohesive bond.
Example; when you fold a bumper sticker to it self you stick 2 surfaces together = cohesive bond. you will not get them apart.
Take the same sticker & stick it to a bumper = non-cohesive bond & they will come apart, you may have to scrape it off & ruin it but it will come apart.
That’s why when you glue 2 pieces of wood together you put glue on both pieces.
Totally irrelevant but cheap furniture & building products are glued non cohesively.
Anywayz you will need glue that will stick to many surfaces & does not require cohesive bonding and that will not reach the hard tinsel strength of gorilla glue
we will save the lesson of tinsel strength but think of spark plug one of the strongest porcelain coats on a part.
but when stressed enough they will crack because the atoms when stressed break apart instead of sticking together.
A different type of polyurethane glue will work better.
It is called PL construction adhesive and the tube is yellow/orange & black it comes in a 10oz caulk tube only.
It needs 2 surfaces to bond (if you glue it to one it won’t stick)
But it has the same tinsel strength as metal (the atoms want to stay together when stressed and they flex)
The only reason metal fails is because of heat, ever break a coat hanger by bending it over and over again?
Make sure every thing is clean and glue it up with something holding pressure over night and don’t get it on your skin it takes a week to wear off.
Sorry for the babbling it is late & once I get started I can’t stop. LOL
I have a roc, do not have that problem yet I think but I will check it often.
What made you decide it was not brake dust?
And sorry to say that gorilla glue will eventually fail.
Here’s why;
In order to glue a non porous surface to a porous surface.
Or 2 non porous surfaces together you need a cohesive bond.
Example; when you fold a bumper sticker to it self you stick 2 surfaces together = cohesive bond. you will not get them apart.
Take the same sticker & stick it to a bumper = non-cohesive bond & they will come apart, you may have to scrape it off & ruin it but it will come apart.
That’s why when you glue 2 pieces of wood together you put glue on both pieces.
Totally irrelevant but cheap furniture & building products are glued non cohesively.
Anywayz you will need glue that will stick to many surfaces & does not require cohesive bonding and that will not reach the hard tinsel strength of gorilla glue
we will save the lesson of tinsel strength but think of spark plug one of the strongest porcelain coats on a part.
but when stressed enough they will crack because the atoms when stressed break apart instead of sticking together.
A different type of polyurethane glue will work better.
It is called PL construction adhesive and the tube is yellow/orange & black it comes in a 10oz caulk tube only.
It needs 2 surfaces to bond (if you glue it to one it won’t stick)
But it has the same tinsel strength as metal (the atoms want to stay together when stressed and they flex)
The only reason metal fails is because of heat, ever break a coat hanger by bending it over and over again?
Make sure every thing is clean and glue it up with something holding pressure over night and don’t get it on your skin it takes a week to wear off.
Sorry for the babbling it is late & once I get started I can’t stop. LOL
Thanx for the feedback on the adhesive I used. I had used the Gorilla in a couple of other similar applications and they were still holding (I'm probably just lucky for now). I will keep and eye (and an ear) out for the raceway rubbing again and I'll use the PL Construction Adhesive to re-attach when it happens.
I have used the PL in reconstructing my home after Katrina so I know it's great stuff.
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