Should I put forwards on my Iron?
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In fact I can easily mix up my leg position for greater comfort on the long haul, by stretching my legs out straight in front of me and resting the bottom of my calf on the forward peg... it's almost like having highway pegs, except when I go around a curve, the heels of my boots drag first. Very comfortable!
Forwards have their place. They can be very comfortable, depending on a whole lot of other variables. They are not, however, "perfect" for everything. You have to figure out what type of riding you are going to do the most, and set up your bike for that, and deal with the shortcomings the rest of the time. Everyone who has ridden for a long time has come to expect a certain set of ergonomics from their bike, and that will always feel "right" to them, and they will be loyal to that feel. Doesn't make it "right" for everyone else. I like forwards, I like mids, I like rearsets. They are all fantastic for their intended purpose. Mids are intended to be the best compromise for the greatest variety of conditions. Forwards are intended for boulevard cruising. Touring floorboards are intended for long distance freeway touring. Rearsets are intended for racing.
I'm not telling you that you have to get mids. I'm not telling you that forwards are horrible. All I'm saying is that forwards aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread, as some would have you believe. They have serious shortcomings in many areas, but they do have their benefits.
The best answer may well be what so many people do: keep the mids, but get highway pegs and passenger pegs. This gives you three different places to put your feet. Better yet, it will allow you to "test" the foot position so that you will better know which fits the way you ride. We can't tell you what you should have, we can only give you advice based on our own experiences.
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Originally Posted by .357 Magnum
I'd lay real money all these people saying "stick with mids" have a butt-to-knee measurement far shorter than mine.
Originally Posted by tekdiver500ft
My thighs are longer than my calfs, by a fair margin, as they should be. In fact, they are approximately 1.618 times as long, as are every other human's.
Originally Posted by tekdiver500ft
Doubt it. It's called the divine ratio, or the golden mean. Nature is full of it, and the human body fits into it perfectly.
1st) What does a "butt to knee" measurement have to do with calves being longer than thighs?
2nd) Yes, the divine ratio is described as 1.618. So what?
3rd) Thighs versus calves are not assumed to be a divine ratio.
4th) Show me, on the chart below where it supports your statements?
From the illustration above, we can see several occurrences of the golden ratio found in the human body
Sole to navel (1) : Sole to crown (Phi)
Sole to knee : Sole to navel
Navel to shoulder : Navel to crown
Knees to calf muscle : Knees to sole
Navel to mid-thigh : Navel to knees
Navel to sternum or mid-chest : Navel to base of throat
Throat base to temple or brow bone : Throat base to crown
End of calf muscle down to ankle : Calf muscle to sole
Mid-thigh to start of kneecap : Mid-thigh to end of kneecap
Navel to crotch : Navel to mid-thigh
Navel to sternum base : Navel to sternum or mid-chest
Throat base to earlobe : Throat base to top of ear or brow bone
Brow bone to hairline : Brow bone to crown
Nose to chin : Nose to base of throat
Originally Posted by tekdiver500ft
My thighs are longer than my calfs, by a fair margin, as they should be. In fact, they are approximately 1.618 times as long, as are every other human's.
But thighs being longer than calves is NOT an equation included in the divine ratios of the human body. At least not by the experts. So I'm not sure where you are getting this information from?
And anyway, the first quote in this reply ;
Originally Posted by .357 Magnum
I'd lay real money all these people saying "stick with mids" have a butt-to-knee measurement far shorter than mine.
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Forwards have their place. They can be very comfortable, depending on a whole lot of other variables. They are not, however, "perfect" for everything. You have to figure out what type of riding you are going to do the most, and set up your bike for that, and deal with the shortcomings the rest of the time. Everyone who has ridden for a long time has come to expect a certain set of ergonomics from their bike, and that will always feel "right" to them, and they will be loyal to that feel. Doesn't make it "right" for everyone else. I like forwards, I like mids, I like rearsets. They are all fantastic for their intended purpose. Mids are intended to be the best compromise for the greatest variety of conditions. Forwards are intended for boulevard cruising. Touring floorboards are intended for long distance freeway touring. Rearsets are intended for racing.
I'm not telling you that you have to get mids. I'm not telling you that forwards are horrible. All I'm saying is that forwards aren't the greatest thing since sliced bread, as some would have you believe. They have serious shortcomings in many areas, but they do have their benefits.
The best answer may well be what so many people do: keep the mids, but get highway pegs and passenger pegs. This gives you three different places to put your feet. Better yet, it will allow you to "test" the foot position so that you will better know which fits the way you ride. We can't tell you what you should have, we can only give you advice based on our own experiences.
Although your assumptions that each type of footrests are "intended" for a certain purpose seems a bit over the top. "Intended"?? Not so sure. Again butt to knee.....oops, I meant to say height and riding style can also be a factor for each of these.
But generally I can agree with much of that statement.
Last edited by kahaone; 11-28-2010 at 02:47 PM.
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Some people crack me up!
1st) What does a "butt to knee" measurement have to do with calves being longer than thighs?
2nd) Yes, the divine ratio is described as 1.618. So what?
3rd) Thighs versus calves are not assumed to be a divine ratio.
4th) Show me, on the chart below where it supports your statements?
From the illustration above, we can see several occurrences of the golden ratio found in the human body
Sole to navel (1) : Sole to crown (Phi)
Sole to knee : Sole to navel
Navel to shoulder : Navel to crown
Knees to calf muscle : Knees to sole
Navel to mid-thigh : Navel to knees
Navel to sternum or mid-chest : Navel to base of throat
Throat base to temple or brow bone : Throat base to crown
End of calf muscle down to ankle : Calf muscle to sole
Mid-thigh to start of kneecap : Mid-thigh to end of kneecap
Navel to crotch : Navel to mid-thigh
Navel to sternum base : Navel to sternum or mid-chest
Throat base to earlobe : Throat base to top of ear or brow bone
Brow bone to hairline : Brow bone to crown
Nose to chin : Nose to base of throat
LOL Actually, I don't remember you ever coming to measure mine!
But thighs being longer than calves is NOT an equation included in the divine ratios of the human body. At least not by the experts. So I'm not sure where you are getting this information from?
And anyway, the first quote in this reply ;
He just says he bets he has longer legs/thighs than others posting here preferring mid controls. LOL. But you say you "Doubt it". LOL. Do you know how tall he is, versus the others who posted replies?? Because without that information, no sensible conclusion can be determined.
1st) What does a "butt to knee" measurement have to do with calves being longer than thighs?
2nd) Yes, the divine ratio is described as 1.618. So what?
3rd) Thighs versus calves are not assumed to be a divine ratio.
4th) Show me, on the chart below where it supports your statements?
From the illustration above, we can see several occurrences of the golden ratio found in the human body
Sole to navel (1) : Sole to crown (Phi)
Sole to knee : Sole to navel
Navel to shoulder : Navel to crown
Knees to calf muscle : Knees to sole
Navel to mid-thigh : Navel to knees
Navel to sternum or mid-chest : Navel to base of throat
Throat base to temple or brow bone : Throat base to crown
End of calf muscle down to ankle : Calf muscle to sole
Mid-thigh to start of kneecap : Mid-thigh to end of kneecap
Navel to crotch : Navel to mid-thigh
Navel to sternum base : Navel to sternum or mid-chest
Throat base to earlobe : Throat base to top of ear or brow bone
Brow bone to hairline : Brow bone to crown
Nose to chin : Nose to base of throat
LOL Actually, I don't remember you ever coming to measure mine!
But thighs being longer than calves is NOT an equation included in the divine ratios of the human body. At least not by the experts. So I'm not sure where you are getting this information from?
And anyway, the first quote in this reply ;
He just says he bets he has longer legs/thighs than others posting here preferring mid controls. LOL. But you say you "Doubt it". LOL. Do you know how tall he is, versus the others who posted replies?? Because without that information, no sensible conclusion can be determined.
You're absolutely right. I enjoy a good argument, and disagreed with his point, but "spoke" too quickly without double-checking my facts. I remembered some of the ratios, but mis-remembered the leg-thigh one. Oops, sorry.
I do however agree with most of these statements.
Although your assumptions that each type of footrests are "intended" for a certain purpose seems a bit over the top. "Intended"?? Not so sure. Again butt to knee.....oops, I meant to say height and riding style can also be a factor for each of these.
But generally I can agree with much of that statement.
Although your assumptions that each type of footrests are "intended" for a certain purpose seems a bit over the top. "Intended"?? Not so sure. Again butt to knee.....oops, I meant to say height and riding style can also be a factor for each of these.
But generally I can agree with much of that statement.
You're right, too. I get a little worked up when people talk about forwards being "right" for every type of riding.
Me, too. I should try reading my responses before I hit "submit reply." But on the other hand, if I do that, what'll we do for entertainment? Oh, yeah, there's still plenty of stupidity out there to laugh at...
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pps... me, too. I just don't think they're a panacea, they aren't right for all people for all purposes.