Fat Tires vs. Handling
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Fat Tires vs. Handling
When I was in college bikers were getting surplus Harleys with really Fat tires. I was riding a Triumph then a Matchless during those years... Skinny tires. Those bikes, and many others, easily ran circles around Harleys. Now HD is putting out bikes with Fat tires again. (I had a Nightrain... fat back tire like I was drag racing or whatever). Is this just a fad? I have nothing from my past that tells me that I should run out and buy a fat tire Harley. Am I mistaken (old bikers need to chime in... those that have ridden well handling bikes from their past?)
Plus, it was easy to change tires by hand back then... and a WHOLE lot cheaper. My RK has as fat a tire as I would ever want to have... tell me why I'm wrong?
Plus, it was easy to change tires by hand back then... and a WHOLE lot cheaper. My RK has as fat a tire as I would ever want to have... tell me why I'm wrong?
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Most of the fat tire bikes are for looks. Fat tires aren't bad. They add straight line stability but will feel "heavier" and slower to respond in corners. It takes more effort to roll the fat tires on its side in a lean but not overly hard. After all how would a FatBoy look with normal size tires?
The standard size tires on the touring bikes are sized to handle the weight of the bike, rider, passenger and gear. The total load capacity of a modern touring bikes is more than a 60s-70s Brit bike weight.
The standard size tires on the touring bikes are sized to handle the weight of the bike, rider, passenger and gear. The total load capacity of a modern touring bikes is more than a 60s-70s Brit bike weight.
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hattitude (03-22-2021)
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When HD first fattened its rear tire in 2009 after changing the frame, everyone raved about the improved stability. I never thought the trade-off was worth it as low speed handling was compromised. In my garage I have a 2012 Road King and a 1994 Electraglide. In low speed situations, that hulk of an Electraglide manuvers much more easily than the newer Road King.
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When I was in college bikers were getting surplus Harleys with really Fat tires. I was riding a Triumph then a Matchless during those years... Skinny tires. Those bikes, and many others, easily ran circles around Harleys. Now HD is putting out bikes with Fat tires again. (I had a Nightrain... fat back tire like I was drag racing or whatever). Is this just a fad? I have nothing from my past that tells me that I should run out and buy a fat tire Harley. Am I mistaken (old bikers need to chime in... those that have ridden well handling bikes from their past?)
Plus, it was easy to change tires by hand back then... and a WHOLE lot cheaper. My RK has as fat a tire as I would ever want to have... tell me why I'm wrong?
Plus, it was easy to change tires by hand back then... and a WHOLE lot cheaper. My RK has as fat a tire as I would ever want to have... tell me why I'm wrong?
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1313 (03-24-2021)
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When I was in college bikers were getting surplus Harleys with really Fat tires. I was riding a Triumph then a Matchless during those years... Skinny tires. Those bikes, and many others, easily ran circles around Harleys. Now HD is putting out bikes with Fat tires again. (I had a Nightrain... fat back tire like I was drag racing or whatever). Is this just a fad? I have nothing from my past that tells me that I should run out and buy a fat tire Harley. Am I mistaken (old bikers need to chime in... those that have ridden well handling bikes from their past?)
Plus, it was easy to change tires by hand back then... and a WHOLE lot cheaper. My RK has as fat a tire as I would ever want to have... tell me why I'm wrong?
Plus, it was easy to change tires by hand back then... and a WHOLE lot cheaper. My RK has as fat a tire as I would ever want to have... tell me why I'm wrong?
A 2000 nighttrain ran a 200mm tire in the rear which is too wide, IMO. Nothing wrong with a good profile 170/180 tire tho on a lighter bike (not touring).
The late model touring run a 180 which isn't too bad. The big issue is that HD added 1/2 inch of trail to the chassis. It makes the bike more stable than the 08 and earlier touring but gives up some on the handling in lower speed corners and neutrality in the rest. The newer bikes want to fall into the corners at low speed and go straight at higher speeds I agree with Uncle Peepers. Some of this is tire choice and as it wears.
A good 180 tire with the right profile cam make for a real nice handling bike. I run a 180/55x18 (Bridgestone excedra) on a 2000 FXDX and the tire feels good from new to worn out. Baggers aren't as forgiving. I have a 17 RK and so far the best tires for me have been stock and AEs. Michelin CIIs and Avons were OK to start but the second half of the tire sucked.
One of the main things I don't like about running a 180 tire on a heavy bagger is that it upsets the balance when rolling to a stop on a uneven surface. A 130 to 150 seems a lot less susceptible to me.
Back in the late 60s/ early 70s, a good running Triumph / BSA / Norton would run circles around a HD big twin. Did not see how they'd do against a sporty tho.
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eighteight (03-23-2021)
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Been a long time since Matchless was a current bike, or surplus Harleys were essentially being given away at Army surplus auctions. Motorcycles have changed a lot since then.
The wide tires are a styling thing. You don’t see them on motoGP bikes, or any bike noted for good handling. That’s kind of a “duh”. Right up there with extended forks, they don’t improve handling either.
The wide tires are a styling thing. You don’t see them on motoGP bikes, or any bike noted for good handling. That’s kind of a “duh”. Right up there with extended forks, they don’t improve handling either.
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I traded in my 18 Fatboy because of the handling. The 160/240 F/R combo made cornering a chore, not a pleasure. I got a 20 Sport Glide and couldn't be happier with the 130/180 combo. Handles like a dream.
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When HD first fattened its rear tire in 2009 after changing the frame, everyone raved about the improved stability. I never thought the trade-off was worth it as low speed handling was compromised. In my garage I have a 2012 Road King and a 1994 Electraglide. In low speed situations, that hulk of an Electraglide manuvers much more easily than the newer Road King.