Is it possible to replace the pawl carrier springs of the ratchet top with the tranny in the bike? My old pan tranny hangs when shifting to second gear - will drop in - but delays - if I hit the lever again while it is hanging - it skips to 3rd - I can find neutral easily but it feels like the drum is not locked in te same "neutral" position when I shift down to it versus up to it from first - these symptoms seem to point to the ratchet top - with my sporties - weak pawl carrier springs cause this kind of laziness in the shifting pattern - maybe detent spring too or worn drum - but if I can get to the pawl springs easily I'll try them first

 

couple of things - yes i believe you can do the main springs in the bike and the bushing in the rotate tore - is in play - the small springs maybe sticking in it as well < maybe - BUT the timing of the shift plate to driver is very important all can be done with the unit in neutral

we pack that with the green grease from 2 guys garage advance auto parts has it or it can be ordered = best stuff i have ever used for any thing needing grease

 

jonhjzj... just to clarify, you pack the area where the 2 pawl springs go with the green grease?

 

yea pans the bushing and anything that moves will benefit from the green grease - when you start using it you will see why its the best

 

Broken those springs a few times, easy to replace just pay attention to what John said about the timing.

 

so I think the timing may be off too - I can tell it is over-shooting 2nd - so it moves past second by a small amount when I throw the lever full forward - I think it is overshooting 2nd because if I tap it again it goes to 3rd - only does this when warmed up - does this sound like a timing issue or maybe just pawl springs?

 

Springs or a worn shift dog, timing was out it wouldn't shift at all and tranny's got to be completely loose to get the top off and be a real bitch going back together so you may as well pull it to simplify things and know your getting it right, 4 speeds are an easy rebuild with a little common sense and basic tools.

 

Just another thought, I have had shifter forks crack in the past and cause problems.

 

downshifting is fine - does not miss on the down side - would like to ride a bit more before pulling it apart again - pulled it apart before I road it - now I know what needs attention but now I want to ride - here it is

 

you could have a weak spring in the shift drum stay and its over riding and not popping in to the drums detent to hold it in place as you shift

the small spring in the selector could also be dry and sticking the catch in the rotatetor

the adjustment for the shift forks need to be close as well