ts/tssm problem?
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ts/tssm problem?
This one has me totally stumped. Riding down the road on my 01 Road Glide when my directionals start flashing like crazy and then the bike died. When I finally got it home, the ECM, lights and security fuses were blown. When I replaced the fuse for the lights, it immediately blew again. Removed radio and fuse didn't blow. BUT my real problem is the bike won't crank. The directionals won't work, so I can't check security codes that way, the security key light doesn't come on (ck engine light does tho, but no codes). All of my tracing circuits indicates that the TS/TSSM might be out to lunch.
So two questions here. How can the TS/TSSM be tested? (if that's even possible) and, if it needs to be replaced, can a used one be used? Oh yeah, due the fobs come into this somewhere?
Of course, this all begs the reason that this happened in the first place.
Any help and/or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Since this last post I have been slowly becoming acquainted with the electrical innards of my '01 Road Glide. And I've learned a couple of things and need to revise the above (*never* attempt to explain after a long day of working on the bike and assorted beers, etc.).
The fuses that were blown, and don't blow anymore, were the ECU, lights and radio memory. I also discovered that every light that was on at the time was blown! So, I'm wondering what could have produced such a surge (the bike was under full acceleration at the time). When I replaced the bulbs, I discovered that the r & f parking lights were on & the ignition wasn't. So I pulled out my trusty multimeter and began looking for the short. The trace lead me back to the TS/TSSM; Other items, to include the starter relay (which I tested and found good) didn't work, also implicated the TS/TSSM. Called the stealer who informed me that I couldn't just bring the TS/TSSM, but had to bring in the bike. Nothing new there. Went to my downloaded electric service manual where I found the following under "STARTING SYSTEM DIAGNOSIS".
The reference numbers below correlate with the circled numbers in the starter system flow charts.
1. See VOLTAGE DROPS under 1.4 DIAGNOSTICS/TROUBLESHOOTING.
2. Remove starter motor. Connect jumper wires as described under FREE RUNNING CURRENT DRAW TEST on page 1-12.
3. Remove TSSM and use HARNESS CONNECTOR TEST KIT (Part No. HD-41404) to short Pin 9 on connector [30] to ground. If starter motor cranks, replace TSSM.
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My first reaction was "what the he**". So, after going to the "FREE RUNNING CURRENT DRAW TEST" (which has you remove the starter) and looking at the supplied diagram I realized that there wasn't any real difference between this arduous method and the stock setup. I turned on my ignition, shorted pin 9 to ground, and pressed the start switch. This provided the final death knell for the TS/TSSM, because the starter did crank. So this is a real easy method for testing the black box.
As to the initial cause of all this: I would like to hear from the community as to what might have caused the voltage spike that blew everything. All ideas are welcome.
Thanks.
So two questions here. How can the TS/TSSM be tested? (if that's even possible) and, if it needs to be replaced, can a used one be used? Oh yeah, due the fobs come into this somewhere?
Of course, this all begs the reason that this happened in the first place.
Any help and/or ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Since this last post I have been slowly becoming acquainted with the electrical innards of my '01 Road Glide. And I've learned a couple of things and need to revise the above (*never* attempt to explain after a long day of working on the bike and assorted beers, etc.).
The fuses that were blown, and don't blow anymore, were the ECU, lights and radio memory. I also discovered that every light that was on at the time was blown! So, I'm wondering what could have produced such a surge (the bike was under full acceleration at the time). When I replaced the bulbs, I discovered that the r & f parking lights were on & the ignition wasn't. So I pulled out my trusty multimeter and began looking for the short. The trace lead me back to the TS/TSSM; Other items, to include the starter relay (which I tested and found good) didn't work, also implicated the TS/TSSM. Called the stealer who informed me that I couldn't just bring the TS/TSSM, but had to bring in the bike. Nothing new there. Went to my downloaded electric service manual where I found the following under "STARTING SYSTEM DIAGNOSIS".
The reference numbers below correlate with the circled numbers in the starter system flow charts.
1. See VOLTAGE DROPS under 1.4 DIAGNOSTICS/TROUBLESHOOTING.
2. Remove starter motor. Connect jumper wires as described under FREE RUNNING CURRENT DRAW TEST on page 1-12.
3. Remove TSSM and use HARNESS CONNECTOR TEST KIT (Part No. HD-41404) to short Pin 9 on connector [30] to ground. If starter motor cranks, replace TSSM.
---------------------
My first reaction was "what the he**". So, after going to the "FREE RUNNING CURRENT DRAW TEST" (which has you remove the starter) and looking at the supplied diagram I realized that there wasn't any real difference between this arduous method and the stock setup. I turned on my ignition, shorted pin 9 to ground, and pressed the start switch. This provided the final death knell for the TS/TSSM, because the starter did crank. So this is a real easy method for testing the black box.
As to the initial cause of all this: I would like to hear from the community as to what might have caused the voltage spike that blew everything. All ideas are welcome.
Thanks.
Last edited by icehead2; 07-11-2014 at 01:43 PM. Reason: revised information
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