2018+ Softail Models Breakout

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Old Apr 19, 2022 | 11:15 AM
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Looking at the chart I linked above I don't see anything larger (taller geared) than a 32 tooth sprocket. Doubt it would fit your case if there was. But I do see smaller pulleys (taller geared) and longer belts. You may be able to find your solution on it. I went 13% up (up numerically as in shorter or lower gearing) from stock and had the rear axle slide travel (stock is centered) so I would assume you could go 13%ish down from stock and have the available rear axle slide travel. Belt width may be another issue. I don't know.

On another note. Taller gearing would rev less in that range but make it slower to accelerate in that range. To get the power you cam up but that raises the power band higher which puts you further away from good acceleration and power in that speed range. Edit sorry your focus isn't power in that range its fuel consumption. Fuel consumption is throttle opening. Taller gearing revs less but in this case may require more throttle opening to achieve or maintain that speed. IE it may be a wash as far as fuel consumption. The stock 2.79 final drive ratio is already pretty tall as it was not designed for optimum performance but rather emissions & fuel economy.
 

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Old Apr 19, 2022 | 11:36 AM
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Andrews makes a 34tooth pully for the M8 Softail: https://www.denniskirk.com/andrews/b...d/80797634.sku
 
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Old Apr 19, 2022 | 11:49 AM
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Cool. I see they have a 31,32,34 ie no 30. I got my 30 out of a trike and machined it down to the stock softail pulley width to fit the stock softail case. Looks like you will pretty much get the gearing you want without the Baker.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2022 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by VernDiesel
Cool. I see they have a 31,32,34 ie no 30. I got my 30 out of a trike and machined it down to the stock softail pulley width to fit the stock softail case. Looks like you will pretty much get the gearing you want without the Baker.
I wouldn't really ever be able to get the Baker DD7 unless I wanted to pinch pennies for it.
But IF I DID....
The point of the DD7 though is that it's lower gearing is better for acceleration than stock, but the upper gearing is similar to the stock. So that combined with a 34tooth gives immense acceleration with an extra gear and higher top speed.
That's really my end game goal if I can afford it, a DD7 with a 34tooth.
The idea is to bring 5th, 6th, and on the DD7 7th gear into full usage at higher speeds, without harming off the line acceleration. Top speed goal of 140~145mph.(which I will probably never really get the bike up to that speed)
My current goal is Stage 2 with the 55mm SE intake, with what I'm seeming to gather from my riding habits is that I will be looking at mid range cams, like the Star 30/30, CR480, Zippers 472, Woods 22XE, But I'm not sure which one to go with yet and I have yet to really have enough mileage to confidently ask about cams.
I have no intentions of ever going stage 3, I'd rather put that money into the transmission.
 
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Old Apr 19, 2022 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by FranBunnyFFXII
I wouldn't really ever be able to get the Baker DD7 unless I wanted to pinch pennies for it.
But IF I DID....
The point of the DD7 though is that it's lower gearing is better for acceleration than stock, but the upper gearing is similar to the stock. So that combined with a 34tooth gives immense acceleration with an extra gear and higher top speed.
That's really my end game goal if I can afford it, a DD7 with a 34tooth.
The idea is to bring 5th, 6th, and on the DD7 7th gear into full usage at higher speeds, without harming off the line acceleration. Top speed goal of 140~145mph.(which I will probably never really get the bike up to that speed)
My current goal is Stage 2 with the 55mm SE intake, with what I'm seeming to gather from my riding habits is that I will be looking at mid range cams, like the Star 30/30, CR480, Zippers 472, Woods 22XE, But I'm not sure which one to go with yet and I have yet to really have enough mileage to confidently ask about cams.
I have no intentions of ever going stage 3, I'd rather put that money into the transmission.
I'm really enjoying the DD7 with the 34T front sprocket. 7th gear is 1:1 like the stock six speed. The concentric input and output shafts lock together in 7th so the transmission gears are not transmitting load. Great high speed cruise efficiency and no gear wear.




 

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Old Apr 19, 2022 | 06:01 PM
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Yea you can optimize the gearing in the 6 speed to get what you want in that 80 to 110 zone but at the cost of losing some acceleration. With the Baker you can have both. Hulkss chart is excellent. I wanted more power so I went the stage 3 route in part for warranty. No regrets but each has its merits. Ideally naturally is to have both.

I've seen 140 mph several times on mine and it gets their quick with my low gearing but its done their. 5800 rpms my torque curve is coming down as the drag or work load is going up and they meet. I likely will go back to the 32 tooth sprocket but keep the 70 tooth pulley. First gear would be a bit more user friendly. Say from a dead stop through a turn and getting out of an intersection. 80-85 mph cruise in top gear would be a little nicer for just cruising as well. I'd lose a little acceleration but it would be the happy medium for me. I expect I would pick up 4-5 mph top speed because the taller gearing would keep the motor in its peak torque longer. Naturally there becomes a cross over point where taller gearing doesn't give you more top speed as the aerodynamic load becomes too great to overcome. It takes quite a bit of power and the right gearing to get an aerodynamically dirty Harley over the 150 mph hump.
 

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Old Apr 19, 2022 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Hulkss
I'm really enjoying the DD7 with the 34T front sprocket. 7th gear is 1:1 like the stock six speed. The concentric input and output shafts lock together in 7th so the transmission gears are not transmitting load. Great high speed cruise efficiency and no gear wear.
I would absolutely love one, but I gotta find 4000$ to pull out of my *** for it. Ya know?
Maybe I can set away a cookie jar fund, haha.
 
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