Engine Mechanical Topics Discussion for motor builds, cams, head work, stripped bolts and other engine related issues. The good and the bad. If it goes round and around or up and down, post it here.

Replacing base o-rings, Do I need anything else?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 4, 2015 | 10:03 PM
  #81  
Bagger_Vance's Avatar
Bagger_Vance
Thread Starter
|
Outstanding HDF Member
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,087
Likes: 22
From: USA
Default

Originally Posted by Harleycruiser
Be carful using a thicker o ring on the centering stud as that can bust out the case in front and inside.
Thanks for the tip! I will definitely keep that in mind.
 
Reply
Old Jun 4, 2015 | 10:17 PM
  #82  
senna's Avatar
senna
Road Master
Joined: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,096
Likes: 17
From: San Jose
Default

Originally Posted by Harleycruiser
Be carful using a thicker o ring on the centering stud as that can bust out the case in front and inside.
I agree.

When you take it back apart, inspect everything thoroughly, any little flaw can cause a leak. A flaw can be a small gouge, a bur or old O ring material.

Another thing you can do is clean everything up then put a very light film of white grease on both surfaces (block and cylinder) then put the O ring in place and install the cylinder and apply pressure. Now remove cylinder and carefully remove O ring and inspect grease for contact pattern.
 
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2015 | 09:10 AM
  #83  
dynawg1's Avatar
dynawg1
Tourer
10 Year Member
Joined: Sep 2014
Posts: 420
Likes: 5
From: Kingsport, TN
Default

Originally Posted by Harleycruiser
Be carful using a thicker o ring on the centering stud as that can bust out the case in front and inside.
Yup. Stay clear of bandaids. Almost always have an unwanted side effect, some serious. Either leave it be or get to the bottom of the issue and eliminate it on the next round. Also, you were right to follow Cometic's torque procedure with their headgaskets.
 
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2015 | 09:26 AM
  #84  
Bagger_Vance's Avatar
Bagger_Vance
Thread Starter
|
Outstanding HDF Member
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,087
Likes: 22
From: USA
Default

Thanks to all and I WILL take your advice. I truly appreciate all the help from everyone and it has all be consistent which makes me believe you all know what you are talking about.

My oil pressure is still higher than it was before all of this happened a month ago when the leak first developed. Around 40psi instead of 32psi. I wonder if something is plugged up somewhere that I couldn't get to? I cleaned that top end and all the passages I could get to. Ran something through the passages, blew them out, carb cleaner, wiped with alcohol, ect. Every bolt was wire wheeled to get the previous loctite off of it so I could torque correctly.

Where else can I look for something that is blocked? I just changed to oil filter yesterday (another K&N) as an FYI. I don't know if it's when I did the seafoam/water trick a while ago or when I switched over to the DK breather bypass for my big sucker intake or if I got bad fuel. There is plenty of air pushing out of both sides of the heads but when you get on the throttle it starts sucking in air gently. I assume this is normal?

When picking up parts at Harley one of the head guys and old time builders just happened to be at the counter. He and I were talking and said he though my crank case venting got blocked which caused all of this so I really make sure I cleaned everything out as best I could. Don't know.
 
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2015 | 10:21 AM
  #85  
djl's Avatar
djl
HDF Community Team
Veteran: Army
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 12,763
Likes: 2,596
From: san antonio
Community Team
Default

I agree with the "don't use an oversize o-ring" comment; it can break out the side of the case.

If the leak bothers you, just carry some carb cleaner on your trip and clean things up at the end of a day's ride. If the o-ring is not sealing, that would point me to the case surface and the bottom of the cylinder surface not being parallel. When you return from you trip, pull the cylinder and have .010" trimmed off the bottom to true up the bottom of the cylinder and use a .010" Cometic base gasket with an application of Permatex Copper Coat on both sides of the gasket; no oring required. I use .010" but check deck height and use that as a guide for the cut on the bottom of the cylinder to allow the use of a .010" base gasket to set deck height at 0.00". Good time to re-ring as well. You now know the drill and it won't take long at all to solve the problem.

Sounds like the bike is running good with no issues, so forget the base leak it's not life threatening. So don't sweat the small stuff and enjoy the trip.
 
Reply
Old Jun 5, 2015 | 02:42 PM
  #86  
Bagger_Vance's Avatar
Bagger_Vance
Thread Starter
|
Outstanding HDF Member
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,087
Likes: 22
From: USA
Default

Originally Posted by djl
I agree with the "don't use an oversize o-ring" comment; it can break out the side of the case.

If the leak bothers you, just carry some carb cleaner on your trip and clean things up at the end of a day's ride. If the o-ring is not sealing, that would point me to the case surface and the bottom of the cylinder surface not being parallel. When you return from you trip, pull the cylinder and have .010" trimmed off the bottom to true up the bottom of the cylinder and use a .010" Cometic base gasket with an application of Permatex Copper Coat on both sides of the gasket; no oring required. I use .010" but check deck height and use that as a guide for the cut on the bottom of the cylinder to allow the use of a .010" base gasket to set deck height at 0.00". Good time to re-ring as well. You now know the drill and it won't take long at all to solve the problem.

Sounds like the bike is running good with no issues, so forget the base leak it's not life threatening. So don't sweat the small stuff and enjoy the trip.
Thanks. I've never had good luck with the cooper stuff as it never seems to set up. Would Yamabond be okay to use instead on the gasket surfaces as well as the bottom of the cylinder and case? That is what I was originally going to do along with the large o-ring but several people guarded me against that.
 

Last edited by Bagger_Vance; Jun 5, 2015 at 03:30 PM.
Reply
Old Jun 6, 2015 | 02:47 PM
  #87  
djl's Avatar
djl
HDF Community Team
Veteran: Army
15 Year Member
Photogenic
Liked
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 12,763
Likes: 2,596
From: san antonio
Community Team
Default

Originally Posted by Bagger_Vance
Thanks. I've never had good luck with the cooper stuff as it never seems to set up. Would Yamabond be okay to use instead on the gasket surfaces as well as the bottom of the cylinder and case? That is what I was originally going to do along with the large o-ring but several people guarded me against that.
Yamabond or Threebond will also work; copper is just cleaner and less mess. Hang the gaskets up, spray a light coat, let dry and install. I have used Threebond with no base gasket with no issues.
 
Reply
Old Jun 6, 2015 | 03:24 PM
  #88  
Bagger_Vance's Avatar
Bagger_Vance
Thread Starter
|
Outstanding HDF Member
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 2,087
Likes: 22
From: USA
Default

Originally Posted by djl
Yamabond or Threebond will also work; copper is just cleaner and less mess. Hang the gaskets up, spray a light coat, let dry and install. I have used Threebond with no base gasket with no issues.
Thanks.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Indy Road Dog
Engine Mechanical Topics
16
Aug 1, 2021 05:48 PM
GibsonSG
Engine Mechanical Topics
25
Jun 13, 2020 10:06 PM
1985Cowboy19
Engine Mechanical Topics
3
Aug 20, 2018 06:04 AM
hollywoodultra
Touring Models
28
Mar 1, 2009 10:47 AM
turbo54
Exhaust System Topics
4
Dec 14, 2005 03:35 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:07 PM.