Give me old farts over texters any day.

Old people have an excuse for driving like crap. Texters are just POS a-holes, who are only worried about themselves.

 

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I live in Gainesville, and about 65% of the drivers are college age texting retards. Every bit as scary as an ol' blue hair!

 

you are spot on with this annalysis. at least the old folks give a ****, texters while driving are scum.

 

At least geezers drive pretty slow so you should have time to maneuver...

Don't get on them too hard on the elderly b/c if it wasn't for them...we wouldn't be here.

 

Hmmn, are we going to be able to have this discussion without mentioning race? I live in a city which is flooded with immigrants and to be quite frank, many of them scare the **** out of me especially when they come from a culture which believe in karma or Allah taking care of business for them. As soon as I see those prayer beads hanging from the mirror my radar goes into overdrive.

Old folk I can cope with. They are just slow and blind but at least not on some suicide mission. It's a problem when they comes from a culture where the biggest vehicle or wealthiest individuals have the most rights, and riding on two wheel is a sign of poverty and weakness, not personal choice and lifestyle. I am not a "blanket" racist. It seems some nations/cultures are 10 times worse than others, e.g. Pakistani males (fatwa taxi drivers) and Nigerian women must be the worst.

Ditto, there was that atrocious case recently when a Chinese (?) guy used a Range Rover as a battering ram to push his through a bike ride (link below), rode over some riders and put some father in a wheel chair for life. And the press portrayed him as the poor "victim" of an evil "biker gang" just because he had the crap beaten out of him afterwards. Eight bikers are arrested but the super rich car driving **** Alexander "Alexian" Lien gets off. They call him a Credit Suisse vice president but I think he made his money through dot com era. Alexander will be a fake Anglicised name. What's Lien, Chinese? His wife is Rosalyn Ng, so may be Vietnamese.

Funny, apparently the first thing to do these days when one breaks a biker's spine using a 4x4 ... is to delete all your social media accounts - which is precisely what this guy had his assistant do - and have friends put up a Facebook page in support of you ... "to share our support and love in their time of need".

I'm against blanket racism against "Asians" too because that's not specific enough. I find on the most part Japanese drivers to be ultra safe and considerate, and completely different, but Koreans and Chinese to be "**** you" aggressive. I don't have any experience of less common minorities.


Funnily enough, one of the arrest was an undercover New York City Police Department officer. It sickens me the way the media is portraying this as a "rabid" "wild pack" "biker gang" and a "gang assault" and turning all sympathy on the Range Rover driver who was "forced to rear-end" the biker ... what's the mentality of someone who buys one of them for driving in the city?

The amount of bull and the way they are twisting sickens me ... "placed in grave danger by a mob of reckless and violent motorcyclists" ... but guys, seriously, if you're going to take the law into your own hands, don't post the evidence on Youtube afterwards!
Hey, fxdx2k, I kept meaning to ask, is that a Honda engine ... or where did you buy the left hand carb and pipe conversion kit from?

 

Being from NY I've been on the West Side highway more times than I would like to admit to. Normally I am on the side of the bikers, but this time no way.
They were on a three lane highway and overtook the 4X4, but instead of just driving around the SUV one knucklehead decided he needed to slow down/stop it and got bumped. This caused the rest of them to surround the vehicle and start intimidating the occupants. being afraid for his family he did the smart thing and drove out of there. What right did they have trying to slow him down on a road with a 55 MPH speed limit which he was doing and they were obviously speeding as they were passing him????? Once they had him stopped a "mob mentality" took over and the rest is history.
I feel sorry for the guys that got run over, as they were just stopped . But they should have either kept riding or pulled over to the breakdown lane, not stop in the middle of the road. Not one of them thought about calling 911. No they wanted street justice and got it.

 

Using the New York incident as a justification for your racism shows some really warped logic.

 

I drive four wheels (and more) and ride two wheels and have been on group rides.

It's a pertinent legal issue because such cases will inevitably be used to curtail our freedoms. We pay road tax, we have the right to ride from a to b whether singly or together but gradually, the world over, the right to ride with other friends is being eroded to the point where eventually we'll have to seek and pay for permits and permission to do so, and be strictly limited where and when. I can remember when all you had to do to go on a run was ride.

This also reminds me of the kind of irrational aggression and violence shown by automobile drivers during the bicyclists' Critical Mass rides in NYC. There's some kind of fury arises in some cage drivers when they say their entitlement to drive taken away from them by the circumstances of two weaker, smaller wheelers in front of them, and I've seen and experience 4 wheelers use force to try and push their way through causing damaging and leading to justifiable anger from the cyclists' point of view.

There is no condoning using a several ton vehicle as a weapon. Lien was under no threat initially. I'd say, from experience, he was being a dick wanting to assert his "rights" because he had a big 4x4.

The sensible thing to do when surrounded by numerous motorcyclists is back off and let it pass. I can understand why the motorcyclists was trying not to let enter into the flow of motorcycles. But then, like I say, I've seen 4 wheelers trying to do exactly that during Critical Mass rides. It's dangerous for the two wheelers and stupid for the four wheelers as, at that point, they're going to go no where fast.

One thing for sure, regardless of how ever his pathetic lawyer and PR people spins it, all the usual "good father and tax payer defending his family from tattoed motorcycle riding gang thugs", he's screwed his own life as well as the innocent guy who is now in a wheel chair for life and will be watching his kids grow up from it.

Apparently the guy that got hit had nothing to do with initial altercation and that is just plain wrong.

 

Are you addressing me? Do you know any about my ethnicity?

Go watch some Youtube video of traffic in Nigeria, India or even Russia for that matter ... and if you are really convinced all cultures are equal when it comes to road manners, come back and we'll have a good laugh at it.

Especially the videos of two wheelers being tossed about like fresh meat by a pack of lions.

You obviously missed the intelligent point about the difference in class values and feelings of right and entitlement between 4 and 2 wheel drivers in difference cultures ... It was the same as it was in ours 40, 50 years ago or perhaps even more. It's not a problem or race.


Reading the responses across the social media, what this case expose is that there remains a huge and deep vein of prejudices against motorcyclists - that condones such violent response as Alexian Lien's - and which suggests we have really not moved on much since the final scenes of Easy Rider.

I mean literally, I've read idiots writing stuff like how they would have gunned down the bikers to get them out of their way.

Legally, if you're behind, you back off. If you run into someone in front of you, it's your fault. You never use a motor vehicle as a weapon and if you do, you should be charged as if it was the lethal weapon it is.

 

Back a few years ago "60s" my dad told me something that has suck in my mind"what's left of it"." Drive these roads like your invisible, no one sees you".
It's worked for me all these years. I'm 57 going on 19. Ride on Killer