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Old Mar 31, 2016 | 09:08 PM
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Unfortunately most accidents happen because of some form of incompetence.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 03:42 AM
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Unfortunately most accidents happen because of some form of incompetence.
No truer words have ever been spoken. Life gets a lot easier when one becomes able to turn a critical eye to themselves.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ
BRAVO, Sir!

It's rare when someone actually understands ABS and it's limitations. ABS makes for l o n g e r stops.

Practice and training, lead to skills development.

An accomplished motorcyclist, has these skills, but rarely needs them...
You don't ride in the rain or drive on snowy roads much, do you?
 
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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 10:28 AM
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Here we go, who is the more competent rider thread, the I don't need ABS cause I know how to brake thread, I don't benefit from technology thread, ABS adds braking distance thread........ really we all (at least most of us) know how ABS works and how ABS will add braking distance to a situation where a competent rider needs to make an emergency stop during that perfect summer day, but we also know that when the conditions are not perfect and road conditions are slippery ABS will save a rider and shorten braking distance (of the average rider) lets face it how many can call themselves expert riders, what 1% , 2% of those who are here.

Doesn't it all boil down to being keenly in tune with the conditions and riding appropriately? Will ABS save an incompetent rider.... possibly, but a non ABS bike will provide opportunity such as the video posted!
 
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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 11:00 AM
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That is the #1 option / must have on my next Ultra is ABS & linked brakes. Don't matter how long or experience you have as a rider Every little bit helps from your brake system to dressing for the slide - not the ride.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 11:06 AM
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ABS is an option. You don't need it on a car or motorcycle. its when people get to thinking its mandatory that I disagree.
 
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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by RK4ME
You don't ride in the rain or drive on snowy roads much, do you?
You don't lane split in the rain or fog, over slippery BOTS dots much, do you?
 
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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ
BRAVO, Sir!

It's rare when someone actually understands ABS and it's limitations. ABS makes for l o n g e r stops.
AMA disagrees with you,

http://www.americanmotorcyclist.com/...ckBraking.aspx

"Myth: ABS may allow you to stop with more control, but it will take you longer to come to a stop.

This myth is generally based on the assumption that a locked-up wheel provides the most traction possible. This isn’t true. A skidding tire has less traction than a tire that is not skidding.

Here’s how ABS works. Speed sensors measure the rotational speed of each wheel. If a wheel risks locking due to intense braking or slick conditions, the ABS unit modulates hydraulic pressure in the braking system. Not only does the system maintain the “sweet spot” of maximum stopping force that occurs before lockup, but by avoiding lock-up, the inertial effect of the spinning wheel is maintained, stabilizing the motorcycle.

By keeping the wheels from locking up and skidding when you grab the brakes, ABS not only allows you to maintain some control, but it allows you to stop in a shorter distance."

As you suggest though nothing beats good riding skills and practice which will help keep you out of situations where extreme braking is required.
 

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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Super Glidester
ABS is an option. You don't need it on a car or motorcycle. its when people get to thinking its mandatory that I disagree.
Your feelings don't trump data.. And it exactly has been mandatory acuz of pure data for some time now
 
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Old Apr 1, 2016 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ
You don't lane split in the rain or fog, over slippery BOTS dots much, do you?
Lane splitting is illegal here, and BOTS Dots wouldn't last long.
 
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