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Old Jan 23, 2025 | 06:11 AM
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now that is laughable to say the least.
tooooooooo many crackpots, the ole saying: "everyone has a sphincter nerve"
FSM is your friend
unless you want to learn how to work on a motorcycle with a claw hammer, yep, seen that one on, you guessed it, "youtube"
 
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Old Jan 23, 2025 | 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bustert
youtube
now that is laughable to say the least.
tooooooooo many crackpots, the ole saying: "everyone has a sphincter nerve"
FSM is your friend
unless you want to learn how to work on a motorcycle with a claw hammer, yep, seen that one on, you guessed it, "youtube"
YouTube is too valuable of a resource to just dismiss it a laughable. Is there some crackpots out there publishing garbage? Of course there is, but there's also a ton of good information, you just have to use your due diligence to sort the wheat from the chaff. The exact same argument could be made about this very forum or most anywhere else on the internet yet here we are all learning and exchanging the very same technical information in question.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2025 | 07:40 AM
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^ Bravo
 
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Old Jan 23, 2025 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
Pull the lifters, change the cam, put in the new lifters. No need for lifter holders.
This is how I do it, But I have never opened it up just a for a cam change. Always done bearings too. So it was pulled apart. The manual has the section on using a holder. Not sure the point. Just pull them and get them out of the way. But I have also never done it that way. Friend who is indie, and goes fast as he can to make money, doesn't use holders either.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2025 | 07:52 AM
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But when do I use the claw hammer?

Any instruction on hammer use? Should it be a chrome hammer or a blacked out one?
 

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Old Jan 23, 2025 | 09:03 AM
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here's the problem mr. kk
at least on the forum you will draw many comments, especially so if there is a miss statement.
hummmmmmm
youtube not so much. case in point, i was just surfing and run across a well known shop (or he says so) working on an ironhead. it so happens to be about cam timing and such. now he is showing how to correct timing mark and breather mark alignment. i will say this, even new from the factory, some marks are NOT spot on, matter of fact, my 1974 xlch had multiple marks. so now he is going to pull the pinion off so he takes a claw hammer and starts yanking on the gear, hummmm, against the aluminum case no less. the he beats it back on, hummmmm, two things wrong!!!
1. that gear is an interference fit and needs a tool to properly remove and install. BTW: there is also a set depth which he does not address.
2. if that gear is that loose then there are worst issues to fix first.

what is the point????
well here it is!!!
he left comments turned on so i ask a couple of questions, hummmmm, proudly beats on his chest how great he is and the turns off comments.
hummmmm, try and turn off comments here. i gladly welcome them, good or bad.
remember, you must be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, not think about how to do it, cannot go wrong with the factory, so the FSM is your true friend.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2025 | 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by cobra23
I would get the service manual for your bike and follow the procedure listed.
I have the service manual but but it only shows removing to inspect or replace lifters but not in conjunction with a cam swap.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2025 | 11:07 AM
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I did mine all at once. It'll save pulling stuff apart twice and possibly screwing something up.
 
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Old Jan 23, 2025 | 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bustert
here's the problem mr. kk
at least on the forum you will draw many comments, especially so if there is a miss statement.
hummmmmmm
youtube not so much. case in point, i was just surfing and run across a well known shop (or he says so) working on an ironhead. it so happens to be about cam timing and such. now he is showing how to correct timing mark and breather mark alignment. i will say this, even new from the factory, some marks are NOT spot on, matter of fact, my 1974 xlch had multiple marks. so now he is going to pull the pinion off so he takes a claw hammer and starts yanking on the gear, hummmm, against the aluminum case no less. the he beats it back on, hummmmm, two things wrong!!!
1. that gear is an interference fit and needs a tool to properly remove and install. BTW: there is also a set depth which he does not address.
2. if that gear is that loose then there are worst issues to fix first.

what is the point????
well here it is!!!
he left comments turned on so i ask a couple of questions, hummmmm, proudly beats on his chest how great he is and the turns off comments.
hummmmm, try and turn off comments here. i gladly welcome them, good or bad.
remember, you must be able to walk and chew gum at the same time, not think about how to do it, cannot go wrong with the factory, so the FSM is your true friend.
We're in full agreement that there is no replacement for a factory service manual, I highly recommend using it as well, what we disagree on is that there is no value to be had from YouTube. The fact that in the video you refer to he's using a claw hammer, and that he has comments turned off, and that pretty much no one else is advocating doing it that way are all indicators that maybe this guy doesn't really know what he's talking about, this is the due diligence I was referring to. It's up to the viewer to do their own research, cross reference other sources, and use common sense to determine the validity of what's shown, no different than here on this forum or anywhere else. I have seen many YouTube videos that had terrible, misleading, or just plain dead wrong information but I'm don't want to throw out the baby with the bath water because I for one have learned a great deal on a wide number of subjects (including our beloved HD's) that would have been difficult to obtain otherwise.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2025 | 08:48 AM
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hummmmmmm
remember the statement: "walk and chew gum at the same time" ????
never said there was no value, just crackpots
perhaps this job needs to go to the shop, since he does not understand the concept. many people here gave good intel.
most people want to take short cuts, then they can blame someone else.
the dude with the claw hammer is one!!!! and who pays????
a loose pinion will walk the shaft when the forces of power on/off are exerted. all camming will do it, reason why mfg's will limit the travel or you can get radius ride and the cam will wear out.
before hd tightened up their machining, they even used shimming.
i find the youtube a comical entertainment, watched a dude use a three wheeler to dig a trench and it nearly killed him a few times and, YET, he still went on!!!!
sometimes it should be "YOUSTUPID" than youtube.
each his own, industrial mechanic 47 years and my philosophy is if in doubt go to the book. now IF i say worked only on detroit, then MAYBE i will trust my memory, but working on aprilia to zundap, not so much, more so if it belongs say to you.
you make a funny!!!!!!
what do you think big brother is doing??? protecting the STUPID!!!!!
reason why in the 1960's you could mow your yard with a 1.5hp mower that weighed a few pounds, but now 5hp at the low end and massive amounts of protection and additional weight. after all, if you cannot walk and chew gum at the same time, then perhaps you need to drag the mower across your foot, learn a lesson then, hummmmmm, perhaps NOT!!!
forest gump said it all: STUPID IS WHAT STUPID DOES AND YOU CANNOT FIX STUPID"
youtube on my brother, youtube on. someone will visit you in the hospital, that is IF you make it there.
 
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