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Old 03-15-2018, 04:44 PM
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Would love some expert thoughts. I have a few thoughts about it myself.

Stock cam removed from a 114 Softail with 1800 to 1900 miles from new. No oil usages 1000 mile service performed at 1100 miles. all three oils checked often, no oil usage, no oil transferring, no sumping, checked religiously. Bike has hit the 5,500 RPM rev limiter probably 5 to 10 times. Always dealer serviced. The tech handed me the cam because I went back to the tech's lift, we wrapped it up in the treated paper and box the new Torque cam came in. The bike has always run like a watch, now has about 2,500 miles on it.

Notice the marks on both the Lobe surfaces and Bearing end. Just noticed this when pulled the original cam out of the box the tech put it in and I was inspecting it at home at home.


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Old 03-15-2018, 04:48 PM
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Crappy stock cam bearing and crappy stock lifters. Change the inner cam bearing and lifters
 
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:17 PM
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Would love some expert thoughts. I have a few thoughts about it myself.

Stock cam removed from a 114 Softail with 1800 to 1900 miles from new. No oil usages 1000 mile service performed at 1100 miles. all three oils checked often, no oil usage, no oil transferring, no sumping, checked religiously. Bike has hit the 5,500 RPM rev limiter probably 5 to 10 times. Always dealer serviced. The tech handed me the cam because I went back to the tech's lift, we wrapped it up in the treated paper and box the new Torque cam came in. The bike has always run like a watch, now has about 2,500 miles on it.

Notice the marks on both the Lobe surfaces and Bearing end. Just noticed this when pulled the original cam out of the box the tech put it in and I was inspecting it at home at home.


What do you think?
what did the installer say, anything? is the expectation that it is supposed to look as good as brand new with zero signs of any kind of wear marks...do those scuff marks mean there is a problem that means the engine wear will be premature? I have no idea
 

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Crappy stock cam bearing and crappy stock lifters. Change the inner cam bearing and lifters
How would either of those score cam lobes?
 
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Old 03-15-2018, 05:29 PM
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S&S makes tappet cuffs that secure the lifters much better than stock. I just pulled mine apart upgrading to a big bore and found abnormal wear on the lifters and cam
 
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Originally Posted by TriGeezer
How would either of those score cam lobes?
I’m not sure but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night
 
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Originally Posted by TriGeezer
How would either of those score cam lobes?
don't the lifters ride on the cam lobes in the m8?
 
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Originally Posted by Screamin beagle
don't the lifters ride on the cam lobes in the m8?
And we have a winner!
 
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When I researched my cam upgrade, a majority said to replace the lifters and inner cam bearing
 
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No stress marks out of the normal for a stock cam,now question is lets see the lifter rollers and the edges.
 


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