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Old Mar 17, 2015 | 10:41 AM
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So I am putting my 2000 Night Train through some changes and I ordered one of the Ultima King Spoke front wheels got the tire mounted up and brought it home and put it on the bike, when I mounted the new Klock Werks front fender I noticed that the tire wasn't centered in the fender so I started trying to figure out where the issue was. I started to think the fender was the issue but after some sanding on the Klock Werks fender spacer on the rotor side I cam to realize the issue seems to me to be with the wheel, so I pulled the OEM fender out and set it up there like I was going to bolt it back on and low and behold the tire was offset to it also (tight on the rotor side). I am using the stock spacers on the axle long one on the rotor side shorter on the other side, the hubs on both wheels measure the same from what I can see and it rides good (only been about 5 miles on it since new wheel installed) anyone have any suggestions or ideas, I just took the pics last night and done have one with the fender on at the moment
 
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Old Mar 17, 2015 | 11:10 AM
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Depending on how far it needs to move over to be centered, I have seen it done by adjusting the spokes. Or, machine up some different spacers and a shim for the backside of the rotor. As far as using the spokes. Measure the distance the rim needs to move over to be centered. Mount on a trueing stand with the dial indicator touching off on the rim. Loosen all spokes and true up the rim until the dial indicator shows that the rim has moved over the distance that you need for it to be centered.
 

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Old Mar 17, 2015 | 11:20 AM
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i have seen something like this on a honda. it was just the oem spacers got fliped. not sure if it the same setup but if the spacers are not on the right side of the wheel it might not center it up. just a thought
 
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Old Mar 17, 2015 | 11:58 AM
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I have thought about the spacers being the issue but from what I have read and double checked the spacers are correct to the best of my knowledge but I might try to swap them, just sitting here thinking about it the long one is on the rotor side and that's the side its closest to so if I swapped them and put the shorter one on the rotor side it would get worse. And as far as trueing stand I am not sure where to access one at with out buying one but I might have to instead of buying another wheel, I will have to look into doing that
 
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Old Mar 17, 2015 | 12:16 PM
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How much difference is it measured perpendicular from the rim to the tree. It's truly hard to tell by a camera angle. One side the bearing is to the bottom (usually on a single caliper, that side. The other stops on the spacer. That way, with the caliper pistons bottomed, there is equal distance on each side of the rotor. When you do what you do, you should reference bearing counter bore on wheel to rotor face. Also make darn sure inner spacer is longer then the bottom of bearing counter bore to other bottom of counter bore. Reference my wheel bearing sketch I made up. If all is well, make special spacers. Keep in mind, older Softails are really not all that close and some have allowable stagger front to back. My 04 Deuce is not centered front or rear and it is completely stock. Not talking a lot here but you can see it or either it optical allusions due to different things.
 

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Old Mar 17, 2015 | 12:51 PM
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I will get some more measurements this evening when I get home, I wasn't able to view your sketches form some reason, I have thought about getting spacers machined to just move it over the little bit that I need and I'm thinking its probably about 1/4 inch or so, my issue is with the fender on it, it truly looks like crud with the tire not being even close to centered, of course I bought a wrapper fender to it looks bad, I do appreciate all the input
 
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Old Mar 17, 2015 | 07:11 PM
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It sounds like you have the correct spacing because you're not having issues with your brake caliper.

I wouldn't mess with moving the wheel over dude if the bike rides straight and true. Like Ripsaw mentioned, some older sleds have an offset in the wheels. My rocker had it. I switched my front end to a wide glide and a 3.50 wheel and I still have that offset.

I bought the same exact front fender for my rocker from Kclockwerks. I would just machine new spacers for the fender and center it on the tire, that's what I did with my Klcokwerks fender.

Look at other nightrsins and see if they have an offset from the factory.


Here is a picture of the stock fender on my rocker, notice the mounts are offset, that's stock from HD.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2015 | 07:55 PM
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It looks like your brake setup is correct...it might be correct. I have a stock 08 rocker custom and the wheels are offset a bit both front and back...you have to kind of look at it to notice, but it must be designed that way for a reason...After you ride it for a bit, I don't notice anything...
You know, after a while, you and the bike know how each of you will handle any situation...bike nirvana...
How about the service manual for the bike? My manual shows all that detail.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2015 | 08:06 PM
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I guess I'm missing something but if you "swap the spacers" or change their width won't the rotor not sit in the caliper correctly?

I have of guys using pvc pipe for mock-up.
 
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Old Mar 17, 2015 | 08:42 PM
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I had the same issues on my 07 Street Bob when I went from spokes to mags. I had to change the inner spacer or "crush tube" and center tire without spacers and remeasure for new spacers. The caliper and rotor were slightly off but it did not hurt anything and braking was still fine and the brakes wore evenly.
After I figured out the correct measurement of spacers, I ordered them from Drag Specialties. They sell them in thousands of inch measurements.
 
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