It's all good skratch. I somewhat agree with you but why does HD need to complicate things? Just build it into the firmware/software of the GTS so an owner can use the communicator of their choice...no WHIM required. If an owner happens to prefer Sena (Cardo, Uclear, or whatever) then just pair & go...I happen to prefer Cardo. The way I have mine currently configured, it meets 90% of my needs. Maybe more wishing than complaining

 

Thanks for the response Ken. Now I understand more. I also have XM and was getting 100% of my music/news from that via boom, NP. I now understand that you do not use CarPlay for music or Apple Maps or other Apple audio (music), WAZE.

May I know again, what do you use CarPlay for? i.e., contacts/phone/text?

I wanted to use Apple Maps the prompts are better and Spotify via CarPlay and also texts/telephone via Siri with phone not paired to boom. Using the Cardo setup where does Siri get the data for directions and phone numbers for contacts?
Meanwhile I will test everything by not using any phone Audio Apps and rely on Boom for XM music/news and see if I get consistent, stable operation.
I now have a WHIM and two HD Sena 20S EVO head sets to put on kijji.

Steve

 

That's pretty cool. I had heard that CarPlay could be made wireless.
I suppose I wouldn't use one, though, because I depend on the motorcycle to charge the phone when I ride; especially on long trips with 10 hour days. Plugged in, my phone is always fully charged which is a big help when camping without electrical power.
Since it's also wirelessly connecting the phone to the BoomBox, there may be an interference or contention to the PackTalk or FreeWire. Don't know. This is way over my head.

 

LOL. I like to have my phone on the handle bar but I use Quadlock holder with charger and vibration damper. It is "low level" Bluetooth to Cplay2air (in the juke box) that mirrors the Car Play screen to the boom if I wish to use Car play. So I do use the bike to charge my phone the power for the charger is spliced into the Cigarette lighter port behind the fairing.

So you do not make phone calls or receive texts while on the bike with your setup?

I also do a bit of touring but not camping. Have 120,000 km on my 2018 Tri-glide so I get the need to have charging ports for phone and EDGE and Freewire on the bike.

 

Update:
As suggested by Ken and others I have learned quite a bit. Here is what works for me currently.

Cardo Packtalk Edge paired to Sena Freewire, connected to boombox via DIN 7 pin
Cardo Packtalk Edge paired to iPhone
Car2Air in Juke box
iPhone on Quadlock mount/charger on bars
Sena hidden in tour pak with HD DIN extention cable under tank/seat.

I hear all Boom content wireless, it does not matter which order I turn things off or on.
I can use DMC for bike to passenger or other bikes
I have phone receiving/calling via CarPlay

When using this configuration: WHAT I CANNOT DO is
Open Apple Maps, any audio/music/radio/news as these will disrupt the audio to the PakTalk and I will not receive any audio from Boombox. Will still hear Cardo DMC however.

If I accidentally turn on Apple Music, Spotify, Apple Maps or any other audio I then have to turn off paktalk, apple audio source and then restart and audio from boom will work as I want.

VERY HAPPY to have DMC, SIRIUS XM, HD map prompts and phone all wirelessly.

I might just remove Apple Music, SXM and Spotify from my phone as I don't use them anyway when riding.
Still would love to find a work around for this audio hiccup as Apple maps is very clear in instructions/prompts.

Happy Labor Day

 

I had the freewire and then my Android phone on my 17sgs and everything was pretty much flawless. I had it powered behind the fairing, so no worries of battery issues, no mic issues, nothing. I bought my 20RGL and bought an Iphone, then the problems started. Had issues with getting car play to work with the Freewire plugged into the port that would otherwise house the Carplay hack plug. So I pulled the freewire out and just ran the hack plug to get carplay.
Since then I have a Diag4bike and have enabled the whim (which I do not have a whim) and disabled the mic check, and have carplay working, my Serius XM app streams my music just fine to my Pack Talk Edge, ( thought I have to select airdrop to my PTE not carplay) my apple maps, or waze work on the GTS display via carplay just fine, I can Hey Siri and make calls or receive calls just fine.
The only thing I don't hear is gps prompts, which after reading Ken's breakdown above it sounds like I would need my Freewire plugged in to get the Carplay audio that is being transmitted to GTS and to get that to my PTE would require the freewire.
I do use the HD NAV just for map info on highways coming up but I do not use it to plan routes or trips, because obvious reasons, so I could care less about hearing HD Nav prompts. Even though I do get turn info displayed on the HU display, I just get no audio from Waze or Apple Maps. Sounds like if I hooked my Freewire up though I would have issues as it seems TOHOG is having these issues.
I do also have the Cplay2air adapter plugged into my right juke box which allows me to keep my Iphone also on my Quad Lock adapter on the bars charging, if I an say running my GOPro app or another app that is not Carplay displayable on the HU GTS. Though I do throw the phone in the right glovebox if it's raining.

 

I think you have extremely over complicated your setup. I know it is a matter of choice and because of the way HD setup their audio system, one has to pick and choose what he can live with and without. These choices will be very different for each person. However, what were you missing before introducing the Sena Freewire? Is introducing the Freewire worth losing some of the most basic aspects of CarPlay such as Apple Maps or Apple Music?

 

What was complicated (for me at least) was learning how the damn things interconnected. Why the Sena Freewire? It offers stability vs the cheap BT transmitters/receivers I tried from Amazon. It is always charging and ready, the PAIRING was simple and very stable.

Now I have several choices as my riding groups and touring solo is quite flexible. I just have to remember that while using Boom GPS,XM, etc that if I switch to using CarPlay it will knock out my audio on both. BUT it is easy to re-establish by simply unplugging Car2play and re plugging it in again with all iphone audio OFF. With this configuration, as Ken says it doesn't matter which items I turn first all will find each other.

I would learn to use CarPlay all the time if I could learn more about the Apple Map program on CarPlay vs iPhone or computer. It seems limited to me. I usually plan routes on the HD Map program and upload to bike with lots of options for routing. So far I am not able to do the same on Apple Maps.

So, yeah, our individual needs are unique I guess. Thanks for feedback and assistance.

 

with carplay, you are not limited to using just apple maps. there are several map apps that are carplay compatible and are much better.

 

Correct....I use Apple Maps or Google maps on occasion if I just need to get point A to B, like the VRBO I was at last week in Gatlinburg to the Publix grocery store around the corner. If I'm actually riding across town or across states, then I'm using Waze most of the time to keep abreast of crap on the road or the popo. But if I am actually doing a plotted ride with specific roads, twisties, restraunt etc, I use myrouteapp and drop a crap ton of waypoints. HD ride planner, to put it nicely, just lacks, not to mention not up to date like a phone is. There is no way to plot a ride with specific roads with apple maps or waze, google maps, etc, without starting your ride and getting rerouted.