Cam's
Can anyone tell me the differance between the Screamin Eagle 203 cam's and Andrews 26G cam's? I'm installing the 26G gear drive cam's in my bike but I'm concerned about being able to get the bike to a shop to be re-tuned with my race tuner. Will I need a new map to get it there?
You can use the Big Boyz Cam Comparator to compare the specs of the two cams simultaneously:
http://www.bigboyzcycles.com/tccams.htm
http://www.bigboyzcycles.com/tccams.htm
You will not hurt the engine running on the current map on your ride to the shop.
I put in 26G's and my bike ran great with just the Stage I download. I did not add a DFO and do some tweaking until about 2k miles after the swap when I decided to go with True Dual headpipes.
I put in 26G's and my bike ran great with just the Stage I download. I did not add a DFO and do some tweaking until about 2k miles after the swap when I decided to go with True Dual headpipes.
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Now after looking at the difference between the SE 203 cam's and the 26G cam's I wonder if I'll be happy? I see the 26G cam's have less lift than the 203's among other things. I think I should of gone with the Head QuartersHQ-0034-G.
Now after looking at the difference between the SE 203 cam's and the 26G cam's I wonder if I'll be happy? I see the 26G cam's have less lift than the 203's among other things. I think I should of gone with the Head QuartersHQ-0034-G.
From what I've seen the 26's do well in the TC88/95, not so good in the TC96, giving nice numbers across the board. It would be good if you don't want to sacrifice low-end TQ for peak HP, but probably won't make big HP numbers on a stock engine.
The se203's suck... the 26g's are a great cam you did good.. but why are you removing the 203's ?? to go gear drive ?? they'll (26g) be good w/ the 95"..
your tune should be o'k' too. Maybe a little tweek!! Steve
your tune should be o'k' too. Maybe a little tweek!! Steve
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The HQ option is more in line with the SE 203 than the Andrews selection. I agree it depends entirely on what you are looking to accomplish, how much you want to spend and what other motor work are you willing to do now and in the future.
Without head work, the more aggressive cams will not giveup their best performance.
The Andrews would be a better selection for no head work and a cam that will work well at low rpm's. The other two will have a torque curve favoring mid range, needing to clean out before delivering their power band.
I think both the HQ and the 203's are "tweeners". That is they would work well in between stock / stage 1 motors and a "built" motor. The question would be if you are going that far why not build a good solid 100+ / 100+ motor. The the cam choices change greatly. It's all about the COMBINATION of all components.
If you are wanting a great mid range power band with potential to run pretty hard into the upper rpm range and have MoCO reliability I'd steer ya to the SE 251. High lift mid duration cam that will work with stock valves and springs. They work better and better the more flow in and out you can give 'em. They will work well with an exhaust sytem with back pressure thus lowering their power band somewhat. Throw on a breather kit, Rineharts (or the like) and tweak the tuning to DUMP fuel and advance the timing, and the 251's will yank your arms off. But it all depends on what you are looking to end up with.
Most HD dealers with the experience with multiple SE cams will tell you that the 251 is a great bagger cam.
U
Without head work, the more aggressive cams will not giveup their best performance.
The Andrews would be a better selection for no head work and a cam that will work well at low rpm's. The other two will have a torque curve favoring mid range, needing to clean out before delivering their power band.
I think both the HQ and the 203's are "tweeners". That is they would work well in between stock / stage 1 motors and a "built" motor. The question would be if you are going that far why not build a good solid 100+ / 100+ motor. The the cam choices change greatly. It's all about the COMBINATION of all components.
If you are wanting a great mid range power band with potential to run pretty hard into the upper rpm range and have MoCO reliability I'd steer ya to the SE 251. High lift mid duration cam that will work with stock valves and springs. They work better and better the more flow in and out you can give 'em. They will work well with an exhaust sytem with back pressure thus lowering their power band somewhat. Throw on a breather kit, Rineharts (or the like) and tweak the tuning to DUMP fuel and advance the timing, and the 251's will yank your arms off. But it all depends on what you are looking to end up with.
Most HD dealers with the experience with multiple SE cams will tell you that the 251 is a great bagger cam.
U
I have no personal experience withthe 26G but they are not that agressive compared to the stock 96cam your replacing froma glance. They feature 28 more degrees of overlap, barely more lift over stock (.005)and -5 degrees less LSA. I would expect a neglible wake upimprovement in bottom end over stock and out of breath at 4500 RPM.
I am running SE 211s in my 96. They made huge improvement over stock. The bottom end feels about the same to me as it was brand newstock, butat 2700 RPMthe pull is hang onfantastic out to 5800 RPM. You want sound atidle? This camis stunning to the ears, mainly because they have a Sheitloadof overlap.Mine did 88/98 on the Dyno nothing else internal changed onthe engine other then adjustable pushrods.
Many want all the immediate off idle power they can get. Isuppose its a preference thing.... I like the 211s in the 96because at cruising speed2500 nice strong power is only200 RPM away on the throttle. Frankly, for me it ishard for me not to ride this bike a little more agressively with these cams. It is a hoot now torideand shifts are a lot later now, then they used to be. So yes my mileage has dropped because I like getting on it alot more going through the gears!
I would send back what you have before you dissapoint yourself, unless you can convince yourself you will be happy with the result. But your not going to see a ton of improvementin getty up and go inmy opinion with the 26G.
I am running SE 211s in my 96. They made huge improvement over stock. The bottom end feels about the same to me as it was brand newstock, butat 2700 RPMthe pull is hang onfantastic out to 5800 RPM. You want sound atidle? This camis stunning to the ears, mainly because they have a Sheitloadof overlap.Mine did 88/98 on the Dyno nothing else internal changed onthe engine other then adjustable pushrods.
Many want all the immediate off idle power they can get. Isuppose its a preference thing.... I like the 211s in the 96because at cruising speed2500 nice strong power is only200 RPM away on the throttle. Frankly, for me it ishard for me not to ride this bike a little more agressively with these cams. It is a hoot now torideand shifts are a lot later now, then they used to be. So yes my mileage has dropped because I like getting on it alot more going through the gears!
I would send back what you have before you dissapoint yourself, unless you can convince yourself you will be happy with the result. But your not going to see a ton of improvementin getty up and go inmy opinion with the 26G.
Neckball, I think the only other thing I would consider doing to this motor is some head work. I liked the 203's in my bike but not the damn chain tensioner's. so I'm going gear drive.HQclaimstheirsto be a good cam formotors with and with outheadwork. Most of my riding is in the mid range putting down the freeway at three grand.






