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Old Oct 9, 2005 | 04:35 PM
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Well have over 1,080 miles on the new 2006 RK. Have changed the oil with the H-D oil and filter. Gave the 1K check list as much a going over that feel comfortable with, have an appointment for the 1K check on the 11th Oct. I'm experiancing engine stalling when in stop and go traffic. I don't notice the idle lobing reel low rpm's when the bike is kept in moving traffic or on the hi-way.

Have any of ya'll had this happen on the EFI's when new? I plan on mentioning it when I bring in for the 1K, hopefully it will be taken care of then. If not what do I have to do to adjust it myself?? Any one have a link?

I checked the DIYs and found an adjustment for EFI M-M which I don't think is what I have, just don't know either!

Additionally if this is something that has to be put on a scan tool or other like computer at the dealer, would it be wise to upgrade to a K&N airfilter before brining it into them, or is the K&N even recommended??

And do you have to re-tune when doing a up-grade to less restrictive exhaust pipe as well?

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Gary

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Old Oct 9, 2005 | 05:06 PM
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You have catalyst mufflers on your 06. You might want to check with the dealer to see what slip on muffler options they have out there for you. You can increase your breather. but you need to make sure that they have a remap for the 06's. I'm hearing that it's not out yet, and if it does...it doesn't work that well.

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Old Oct 9, 2005 | 05:15 PM
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Sounds like a very lean running bike. The topic in the DIY section for the MM injection is not for your bike, but thanks for looking. You may want to change mufflers and pick up a TFI to richen the mixture and you'll probably have no problems after that, besides the bike will run better also. You can add the intake also and richen it up again with the TFI. You'll find many topics in the DIY about the TFI/DFO.


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Old Oct 9, 2005 | 05:34 PM
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Sorry to here about your problem, but also glad to here i am not alone! I too have an 06 RKC, I too have a staling problem. I took mine back to the dealer, they told me the only way to fix it was to install a SE race tuner. So 765.00 later, my bike dont stall anymore. However, it runs really cruddy when cold. Takes forever to warm up. I took it back, again about this problem, then I was told it needed to be dyno-tuned. I looked at my reciept and it said I was charged 230.00 for dyno-tuning. I was then told that it was not dyno'd cause it didnt have enough miles on it. Why did they charge me if it wasnt done? They said a 'generic code' was inputed to get me by till it could be ran. I have an appointment on Weds to get it dyno tuned. I now have 550 miles on it. At the same time the tuner was installed, I installed the SE hi-flow kit, and SE slip-ons. I purchased these when I first got the bike, and planned on doing it all at 1000 miles. Got tired of the stalling problem though and did it now. Hope that they can straiten it out on Weds. P.S., They were right about something, it hasnt stalled since the tuner was installed.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2005 | 07:29 PM
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"Sorry to here about your problem, but also glad to here i am not alone! I too have an 06 RKC, I too have a staling problem. I took mine back to the dealer, they told me the only way to fix it was to install a SE race tuner." quoted from an earlier post.


But my 1st question is why is this your problem, why was it not covered under warranty? If i have a new bike and it is stalling for no reason you can bet someone is going to fix it for free. I have an 05 Ultra and have not had any problems yet. But the previous two postings have me wondering why the dealer did not fix the problem under warranty. Someone please help me understand this. I am new to the Harley world and have been reading alot of horror stories on here. So far so good with my purchase, hope it stays that way.

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Old Oct 9, 2005 | 07:42 PM
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I sure as he11 don't want to pay some $765.oo for a SE race tuner for a brand new bike, I think that it is their problem to fix something to make it run right as it should from the factory with OUT having to do an up grade this soon. Something tells me that its not going to be pretty if they tell me that!

Now after they fix it later on down the road I might be in the mood for a SE race tuner.

I want the thing running right by them first! I think this is a matter of principle.

As for mine running cold, or rough idle when cold, I don't think that is a problem. That thing heats up good, it just idles down to nothing when stuck in traffic from some accident ahead and you can't move of an extended period of time. I'm already thinking of putting an oil cooler on it and police fans, one on the jugs and one on the cooler. That is before next summer when I think it will really need it.

I have just put a King pillow seat with back rest and hand holds, and UltraClassic Glide rear trunk and tour pack with all the lights and wiring for AM/FM and CB antenna on it. And want to put the bat-wing on the front for all the gauges to tell what it really is doing, oil temp, oil psi, volts and head temp, and RPM's. I know, I should have bought the UtraClassic to start.
 
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Old Oct 9, 2005 | 08:09 PM
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Hey Guys, I see you've been shown the "harley dance". Now why should you have to pay (like Ram said) $700+ to make a new bike run properly? Personally, I'd go with the TFI myself for $160

They should have downloads available (which they don't yet) to make it run properly being EPA has these maps cut down so lean they stall. I'd be dipped If I'd pay that much or anything for that matter to correct a problem that is common and comes from the factory like that. It should be the dealers job and cost to make it run right, then he could take it up with the factory for reimbursement (maybe they do and collect on both ends). You should contact HD corporate and pitch some crap at them and see what happens. We as the consumer should not be charged "extra" to make a new vehicle run properly. Stalling like that should actually be a recall as it is a dangerous condition at any speed under any circumstances.

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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 02:23 AM
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I agree 100% with TCSTD, it should be a recall problem if it is happening widespread. If not but just a few incidents HD should have to repair the problem for free. I do not know of anyone that would buy a new car and have it stall on them and not expect the dealer to fix it.

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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 08:42 AM
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I now know I'm damn glad that I brought this up here first before taking this bike in for the 1K. Now I'll get to see what the service is like at my dealer.

I'm going to keep my orginal appt at my dealer on 25th Oct and not use the one on the 11th Oct at a farther away dealer!

And I'm going to question them on the option of purchasing the additional extended dealer survice and see if that would have got me in sooner, being a perfered paying customer! Since I'm still elegible to purchase that mess.
 
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Old Oct 10, 2005 | 04:10 PM
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I go to my service dept at my dearship this morning and tell them the situation and the problem with the engine stalling at a "hot" idle. I'm being told that the engine does this and its normal. This feature is what the computer is programed to do when the engine heats up, it goes into a what they called sort of a "Limp Back" mode of operation when that occur's the computer shuts down one cyclinder and that is why the idle drops to nothing, it does this to keep it from dammage when its real hot! He then said that the oil temp is up around 300* to start with. I said thats about at break down for almost any oil. And I said that I don't know H-D oil "the recommended oil" is able to tolerate those temps! I mention that all the oil test results that I've seen H-D oil does not fair as well as some of the other brands available. I thought this was not a good situation, he reluctantly agreed. But did offer to check the codes in the computer during survice!

I think this is a bunch of hoooey and I know that fans on an oil cooler and the jugs maybe a solution, but if this is a known problem at the dealers and no fix is out for it - then why doesn't H-D have oil coolers with fans and fans on the jug's as stock equipment. I'm not in a year round hot climate, I don't know what those in TX or FL are going to be doing. Prolly what I was told by the dealer service writer, pull off the road or go around the traffic. Even at best that is something you don't want to do in a tunnel or on a bridge here in Tidewater VA!!

And the pits of this is, this is the same line I'm getting from both dealership survice depts! They will check the codes too at the other dealership as well.

So obviously it is a problem that they are aware of the situation and were susposed to keep the bike running with enough air to keep it cool or stop the engine and let it cool.

Any one have a phone number to ***** G Davidson? Some one posted in a thread that I have read reciently he listens to what you have to say about the product and they have riden with him several times! Maybe this is worth a shot!
 
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