Stupid Question ?
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Stupid Question ?
Reading all these Exhaust Question which there aredaily, I cant figure out Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
Tourer
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RE: Stupid Question ?
I like stupid questions, because I'm full of stupid answers. Problem is, this isn't a stupid question... I agree with you totally.
What really gets me is that you can get a PCIII off eBay for about $200 and tune it yourself if you have a little mechanical knowledge and know how to read and some people still just want to bolt on power/cosmetics without following through to get all the power (and keep their machine from running hot).
I guess we need to keep educating...
Gravel
What really gets me is that you can get a PCIII off eBay for about $200 and tune it yourself if you have a little mechanical knowledge and know how to read and some people still just want to bolt on power/cosmetics without following through to get all the power (and keep their machine from running hot).
I guess we need to keep educating...
Gravel
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RE: Stupid Question ?
i have always changed parts out on bikes and cars my whole life .to make them run better and to look better. dont every body.people i know do it's the fun and enjoyment of owning them. you dont havat change to go faster but to breath better pull better for two up rideing.and you dont want your bike to look like every body else's.
Road Warrior
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RE: Stupid Question ?
Answer to stupid question...
As a new rider and a newer Harley owner, you learn as you go.
I assumed that a complete stage 1 install by the dealer and subsequent 1000 mile service would get the job done right.
I run 6 Auto Dealerships... my customers would expect and insist on the same.
As hard as I work, getting back to the dealer for service ain't easy.
As a new rider and a newer Harley owner, you learn as you go.
I assumed that a complete stage 1 install by the dealer and subsequent 1000 mile service would get the job done right.
I run 6 Auto Dealerships... my customers would expect and insist on the same.
As hard as I work, getting back to the dealer for service ain't easy.
Tourer
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RE: Stupid Question ?
ORIGINAL: Trotter
Reading all these Exhaust Question which there aredaily, I cant figure out Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
Reading all these Exhaust Question which there aredaily, I cant figure out Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
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RE: Stupid Question ?
The only thing is that Stage 1, breather and exhaust, can be handled on most bikes with a $100 remap of the fuel injection. Since the change is faily "mappable" or standard then a change must be made, but it doesn't need to be a PCIII or a tuning.
I did this and my bike runs great and has for four years. And it will handle my friends 103 on his SEEG (my bike and I weigh 250 lbs less than his in total). If you make, or intend to make, more changes then it pays to do the pcIII or similar.
I did this and my bike runs great and has for four years. And it will handle my friends 103 on his SEEG (my bike and I weigh 250 lbs less than his in total). If you make, or intend to make, more changes then it pays to do the pcIII or similar.
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RE: Stupid Question ?
I think it is sometimes perceived to be cheaper if you listen to the majority than it is to learn from the few who are knowledgeable.
You know,a "everyone else is doing it" kinda thing.
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You know,a "everyone else is doing it" kinda thing.
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Road Warrior
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RE: Stupid Question ?
ORIGINAL: Trotter
Reading all these Exhaust Question which there aredaily, I cant figure out Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
Reading all these Exhaust Question which there aredaily, I cant figure out Why someone would go out and spend 13,000.00 to 18,000.00 on a bike then spend 200.00 on a A/C and another 300.00/500.00 on a Exhaust system and alot of other moneys on chrome stuff, But over look the most Important part of the exhaust equation spending 300.00 to 500.00 to get the bike tuned so the bike runs Cooler andat it's full potentialfor a long life....Is it because it's money spent on someting that you cant look at..?Because you can definatly feel the differance if it's done right... over justa download A/C and pipes...
I have a PCIII and a fairly standard setup at this time (SE cleaner, SEII slipons). I initially downloaded the canned map for this setup. I then had this tuned shortly after setting it up. Cost was $275 and there are only a few tuners within reasonable riding distance for me. I explained to the tuner that I wanted to get rid of the popping, and he did that for the most part, and he did spend several hours tuning it, however I did not really notice any performance difference over the stock download for my setup. Mostly he dumped more fuel in at 0% throttle position. I could have done this for nothing.
When I replaced this for V&H, I went thru the procedure again with similar results - in fact this time I first loaded a canned map, then I found a guy near me that had his same year, stock download from HD, same AC, same pipes, even including quiet baffles. Identical setups. He gave me his map. The results were similar - less popping due to more fuel at 0% - but really no noticable improvement in performance.
Probably going to change pipes again in the spring - not really sure what to do this time?
Not sure how this relates to a SERT tune?
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RE: Stupid Question ?
Trotter, since you brought up tuning....... I'm days away from pulling the trigger on a Thundermax, in your opinion is this the way to go? Or should I go after a SERT and Dyno time?
I addmit I'm one of those guys that put money into sound and looks over performance, and now I'm pissed. I want my bike to run better and stronger.
I addmit I'm one of those guys that put money into sound and looks over performance, and now I'm pissed. I want my bike to run better and stronger.
Tourer
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From: Glendale, AZ
RE: Stupid Question ?
I have done the stage I, A/C, slip-ons and remap, only to my engine and my bike runs great (06 WG). I would love to do more to the engine and dyno it but I am too new to HD's to know what to do, don't know any indy's and do not trust the dealers to do more than the Stage I.
So in answer to your question I think there are a lot of us here that just don't have the experience to do the work themselves or the trust in others to do "right" thing.
So in answer to your question I think there are a lot of us here that just don't have the experience to do the work themselves or the trust in others to do "right" thing.