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Tom -
Kinda like this 'self portrait' of you ... a man intent on the job at hand ....
R/
'Chop
... you have to stare at it for a bit to begin to make out the details of your face ....
Kinda like this 'self portrait' of you ... a man intent on the job at hand ....
R/
'Chop
... you have to stare at it for a bit to begin to make out the details of your face ....
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Mud:
In your post #1169, you state:
"006 WG fork pipes, level is 110 mm (approx 29 oz)
all other 006 Dyna pipes, level is 112 mm (approx 26 oz)"
I guess I am assuming the amounts you cite are for "dry" vice "wet" (considering as you completely dismantled your forks in the post and related posts) ....
According to the post at https://www.hdforums.com/forum/5054024-post1.html the '05 Wide Glide DRY forks use 11.2 ounces in each fork leg (22.4 combined ounces) ... I guess maybe the bigger fork legs--49mm vice 41mm increased the capacity by almost 7 ounces ...? Also ... don't have it handy at the moment, but when perusing my '05 service manual last evening ... the measurement from the top of the fork tube to the top of the oil fill is quite a bit more ... off the top of my head, thinking 184mm ... do the
Ricors take up that much volume or did the MoCo significantly reduce the amount of air in the Wide Glide forks after '05 ...?
Also, the measurement is taken without the springs and the fork tubes collapsed as I understand, correct ...? Do you know what the measurement would be with the springs in the tubes ... how much the springs displace ...?
THX ...!
R/
'Chop
In your post #1169, you state:
"006 WG fork pipes, level is 110 mm (approx 29 oz)
all other 006 Dyna pipes, level is 112 mm (approx 26 oz)"
I guess I am assuming the amounts you cite are for "dry" vice "wet" (considering as you completely dismantled your forks in the post and related posts) ....
According to the post at https://www.hdforums.com/forum/5054024-post1.html the '05 Wide Glide DRY forks use 11.2 ounces in each fork leg (22.4 combined ounces) ... I guess maybe the bigger fork legs--49mm vice 41mm increased the capacity by almost 7 ounces ...? Also ... don't have it handy at the moment, but when perusing my '05 service manual last evening ... the measurement from the top of the fork tube to the top of the oil fill is quite a bit more ... off the top of my head, thinking 184mm ... do the
Ricors take up that much volume or did the MoCo significantly reduce the amount of air in the Wide Glide forks after '05 ...?
Also, the measurement is taken without the springs and the fork tubes collapsed as I understand, correct ...? Do you know what the measurement would be with the springs in the tubes ... how much the springs displace ...?
THX ...!
R/
'Chop
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Mud:
In your post #1169, you state:
"006 WG fork pipes, level is 110 mm (approx 29 oz)
all other 006 Dyna pipes, level is 112 mm (approx 26 oz)"
I guess I am assuming the amounts you cite are for "dry" vice "wet"
(considering as you completely dismantled your forks in the post and related posts) ....
Mud:
In your post #1169, you state:
"006 WG fork pipes, level is 110 mm (approx 29 oz)
all other 006 Dyna pipes, level is 112 mm (approx 26 oz)"
I guess I am assuming the amounts you cite are for "dry" vice "wet"
(considering as you completely dismantled your forks in the post and related posts) ....
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the mm measurement from the top remains the same whether wet or dry.
the approx oz also remains *approx* wet or dry.
the level is the important dimension.
in actuality, the manual says 29.6 and 26.6 oz. (*APPROX*).
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According to the post at https://www.hdforums.com/forum/5054024-post1.html
the '05 Wide Glide DRY forks use 11.2 ounces in each fork leg (22.4 combined ounces) ...
I guess maybe the bigger fork legs--49mm vice 41mm increased the capacity by almost 7 ounces ...?
According to the post at https://www.hdforums.com/forum/5054024-post1.html
the '05 Wide Glide DRY forks use 11.2 ounces in each fork leg (22.4 combined ounces) ...
I guess maybe the bigger fork legs--49mm vice 41mm increased the capacity by almost 7 ounces ...?
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may be. don't know.
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OK.
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the Intiminators for the 006 and up forks displace *approx* 15.875 mm.
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yessir
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I do believe it would be kinda hard to measure accurately with the springs in place.
give it a shot and get back to me.
a wild guess -
w/ the forks compressed, drop a spring in and you will have fork oil on your shoes.
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Mud -
I guess what I was getting at is if (i) you fill to the 110 mm line according to the manual, (ii) extend the tube to the upward position, (iii) insert spring ... what the measurement would be under those circumstances ....
I might have to just take a couple of days off to get my forks straightened out ... I pretty clearly have too much fluid and was trying to figure out if I could take a short cut by subracting a little fluid until I got to the line where the fluid should be without removing the tubes (if I knew what that measurement was) ... maybe just do a little trial and error ....
I am still in the middle of a PCS (permanent change of station - military) move and don't have a house with garage ... nor my tools and workbench ... trying to work out of a military facility I have access to but have to ride out every evening ... so am forced to work fast ... no 'taking my time' ....
R/
'Chop
I guess what I was getting at is if (i) you fill to the 110 mm line according to the manual, (ii) extend the tube to the upward position, (iii) insert spring ... what the measurement would be under those circumstances ....
I might have to just take a couple of days off to get my forks straightened out ... I pretty clearly have too much fluid and was trying to figure out if I could take a short cut by subracting a little fluid until I got to the line where the fluid should be without removing the tubes (if I knew what that measurement was) ... maybe just do a little trial and error ....
I am still in the middle of a PCS (permanent change of station - military) move and don't have a house with garage ... nor my tools and workbench ... trying to work out of a military facility I have access to but have to ride out every evening ... so am forced to work fast ... no 'taking my time' ....
R/
'Chop
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Mud -
I guess what I was getting at is if (i) you fill to the 110 mm line according to the manual, (ii) extend the tube to the upward position, (iii) insert spring ... what the measurement would be under those circumstances ....
I might have to just take a couple of days off to get my forks straightened out ... I pretty clearly have too much fluid and was trying to figure out if I could take a short cut by subracting a little fluid until I got to the line where the fluid should be without removing the tubes (if I knew what that measurement was) ... maybe just do a little trial and error ....
I am still in the middle of a PCS (permanent change of station - military) move and don't have a house with garage ... nor my tools and workbench ... trying to work out of a military facility I have access to but have to ride out every evening ... so am forced to work fast ... no 'taking my time' ....
R/
'Chop
I guess what I was getting at is if (i) you fill to the 110 mm line according to the manual, (ii) extend the tube to the upward position, (iii) insert spring ... what the measurement would be under those circumstances ....
I might have to just take a couple of days off to get my forks straightened out ... I pretty clearly have too much fluid and was trying to figure out if I could take a short cut by subracting a little fluid until I got to the line where the fluid should be without removing the tubes (if I knew what that measurement was) ... maybe just do a little trial and error ....
I am still in the middle of a PCS (permanent change of station - military) move and don't have a house with garage ... nor my tools and workbench ... trying to work out of a military facility I have access to but have to ride out every evening ... so am forced to work fast ... no 'taking my time' ....
R/
'Chop
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OK.
sounds like maybe you want to do this instead -
lift front
remove caps
remove springs
hang springs over a pan to drain off
adjust the oil level
reassemble.
or, am I still missing something??
also, a question - what kinda fork oil are you using??
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I don't think you're missing anything except that I have a couple more steps than you to remove the forks ... remove handlebars, remove headlight, remove passing lamps/turn signals, remove fork tins, then remove the front wheel and then finally the fork tubes ... just adds time in disassembly and reassembly that I don't really have ... that's why I was trying to figure out a 'work around' ....
As you may be aware, the Softail ('02 FLSTF) fork tubes that I am using have a cap that the 1-3/8" top bolt screws into ... thus, my concept was to leave my tubes in the frame remove the handlebars, remove the 1-3/8" bolts at the top of the tubes and insert a makeshift fork level tool using a turkey baster and a vinyl tube ... measure how far the tube goes in and extract fork oil to that line ... 184 mm or 110 mm or whatever that line is ... I could measure on the tube and then when I get to that line should be good to go ... (at least in terms of having the proper quantity of fork oil) ....
In a pinch last weekend, I substituted Royal Purple EZ Max High Performance Power Steering Fluid for fork oil (didn't have Type E fork oil anywhere on base) ... it (Royal Purple) has a viscosity of 8.9 ....
Thanks for all the assistance with this 'trouble call' ....
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Follow up ... serious overfill on the right fork tube was causing severe stiffness of the ride ....
Tried the turkey baster idea and lowered the level in each fork tube to about 6" below the top of the forks ... bear in mind that the Softail forks have a cap on top into which the top bolt is screwed ... adds about 1-1/2" to the top of the tube ....
I got about as close to the same level as possible given the rude tools ... but, I gotta say ... ride is substantially improved ... in another day or two, I might try adding just a half ounce at a time to the tubes to stiffen it up just a touch .....
R/
'Chop
As you may be aware, the Softail ('02 FLSTF) fork tubes that I am using have a cap that the 1-3/8" top bolt screws into ... thus, my concept was to leave my tubes in the frame remove the handlebars, remove the 1-3/8" bolts at the top of the tubes and insert a makeshift fork level tool using a turkey baster and a vinyl tube ... measure how far the tube goes in and extract fork oil to that line ... 184 mm or 110 mm or whatever that line is ... I could measure on the tube and then when I get to that line should be good to go ... (at least in terms of having the proper quantity of fork oil) ....
In a pinch last weekend, I substituted Royal Purple EZ Max High Performance Power Steering Fluid for fork oil (didn't have Type E fork oil anywhere on base) ... it (Royal Purple) has a viscosity of 8.9 ....
Thanks for all the assistance with this 'trouble call' ....
* * *
Follow up ... serious overfill on the right fork tube was causing severe stiffness of the ride ....
Tried the turkey baster idea and lowered the level in each fork tube to about 6" below the top of the forks ... bear in mind that the Softail forks have a cap on top into which the top bolt is screwed ... adds about 1-1/2" to the top of the tube ....
I got about as close to the same level as possible given the rude tools ... but, I gotta say ... ride is substantially improved ... in another day or two, I might try adding just a half ounce at a time to the tubes to stiffen it up just a touch .....
R/
'Chop
Last edited by SURFOR Chop; Jun 2, 2010 at 09:45 PM.
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Thanks Mud for starting this thread and all the insightful tips and tricks. Thanks to all that post. Finally made it to the end and aquired a hellofalot of knowledge from all the posters. Great thread. Looking forward to doing some mods to my '10 FXDWG.
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