No Re-mapping needed?
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Cruiser
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No Re-mapping needed?
09 Street Bob is about to get her Vance and Hines Short shots pretty soon and either a SE stage1 or Arlen Ness...haven't decided yet. So Im doing my best to stay away from letting HD have my entire bank account and all I was going to do was let them remap it with the new accessories and call it a day. The PCV will have to wait some time. Then I go to the local shop near the house and the guys say that they can do the pipes and put a K&N Filter (skip out on the SE stage 1) on and be done with it. No re mapping just letting it run around for about a hundred miles or so to see how it adapts to it. This a route that anyone has done before or I am just headed down a road of future engine damage? Gracias
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From: Baumholder, Ger
You could technically do that but def recommend getting some sort of fuel management. Could be wrong but I dont think harleys have a wideband 02 sensor like a car so adaption is very very limited if at all.
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My dealership says there's a way to bypass remapping with a wire, not sure the tech answer but apparently it works and they are happy to do this.
Not sure if its right or wrong, but just thought you should know.
Not sure if its right or wrong, but just thought you should know.
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From: Baumholder, Ger
Yeah thats what I thought, really best thing to do is save some money and do it right. Are you putting everything on or is the dealer?
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Is this wire the XIED?
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There is a lot of info over in the tuning forums if you care to look, if not:
As has been discussed here a number of times you don't "need" to remap, but you may want to. The bike will adjust A/F close enough in the closed loop range (95% of your street riding) but you may not like WOT or drivability. If you want to run the bike without a remap it won't hurt anything but it may not run well, likely pop a bit.
Consensus is don't waste your money with any of the Harley downloads, invest the $$ in a tuner instead.
If you want to be sure of the best running bike, don't waste your money on a fueler either (many have had good luck, a few nothing but problems, especially if you ever ride in the rain), get a decent tuner like a TTS, runs about $450 and you don't need to spend anything extra on a dyno or go anywhere close to a dealer. You tune yourself and do as well as most pro shops.
If you have limited funds, a $99 XiED will richen your closed loop mixture so you won't have as much heat, but do little or nothing for WOT or surging.
Wideband or narrowband sensor is irrelevant here for a lot of reasons, there are very few cars with wideband sensors. Just about everyone uses inexpensive accurate narrowband switching sensors, some heated some not.
From what I hear, you certainly don't need to buy the HD AF kit, there are others, some better some not so good.
As has been discussed here a number of times you don't "need" to remap, but you may want to. The bike will adjust A/F close enough in the closed loop range (95% of your street riding) but you may not like WOT or drivability. If you want to run the bike without a remap it won't hurt anything but it may not run well, likely pop a bit.
Consensus is don't waste your money with any of the Harley downloads, invest the $$ in a tuner instead.
If you want to be sure of the best running bike, don't waste your money on a fueler either (many have had good luck, a few nothing but problems, especially if you ever ride in the rain), get a decent tuner like a TTS, runs about $450 and you don't need to spend anything extra on a dyno or go anywhere close to a dealer. You tune yourself and do as well as most pro shops.
If you have limited funds, a $99 XiED will richen your closed loop mixture so you won't have as much heat, but do little or nothing for WOT or surging.
Wideband or narrowband sensor is irrelevant here for a lot of reasons, there are very few cars with wideband sensors. Just about everyone uses inexpensive accurate narrowband switching sensors, some heated some not.
From what I hear, you certainly don't need to buy the HD AF kit, there are others, some better some not so good.
Last edited by ColdCase; Nov 24, 2009 at 03:33 PM.
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There is a lot of info over in the tuning forums if you care to look, if not:
As has been discussed here a number of times you don't "need" to remap, but you may want to. The bike will adjust A/F close enough in the closed loop range (95% of your street riding) but you may not like WOT or drivability. If you want to run the bike without a remap it won't hurt anything but it may not run well, likely pop a bit.
Consensus is don't waste your money with any of the Harley downloads, invest the $$ in a tuner instead.
If you want to be sure of the best running bike, don't waste your money on a fueler either (many have had good luck, a few nothing but problems, especially if you ever ride in the rain), get a decent tuner like a TTS, runs about $450 and you don't need to spend anything extra on a dyno or go anywhere close to a dealer. You tune yourself and do as well as most pro shops.
If you have limited funds, a $99 XiED will richen your closed loop mixture so you won't have as much heat, but do little or nothing for WOT or surging.
Wideband or narrowband sensor is irrelevant here for a lot of reasons, there are very few cars with wideband sensors. Just about everyone uses inexpensive accurate narrowband switching sensors, some heated some not.
From what I hear, you certainly don't need to buy the HD AF kit, there are others, some better some not so good.
As has been discussed here a number of times you don't "need" to remap, but you may want to. The bike will adjust A/F close enough in the closed loop range (95% of your street riding) but you may not like WOT or drivability. If you want to run the bike without a remap it won't hurt anything but it may not run well, likely pop a bit.
Consensus is don't waste your money with any of the Harley downloads, invest the $$ in a tuner instead.
If you want to be sure of the best running bike, don't waste your money on a fueler either (many have had good luck, a few nothing but problems, especially if you ever ride in the rain), get a decent tuner like a TTS, runs about $450 and you don't need to spend anything extra on a dyno or go anywhere close to a dealer. You tune yourself and do as well as most pro shops.
If you have limited funds, a $99 XiED will richen your closed loop mixture so you won't have as much heat, but do little or nothing for WOT or surging.
Wideband or narrowband sensor is irrelevant here for a lot of reasons, there are very few cars with wideband sensors. Just about everyone uses inexpensive accurate narrowband switching sensors, some heated some not.
From what I hear, you certainly don't need to buy the HD AF kit, there are others, some better some not so good.
I thought that a Stage 1 included changing of exhaust, of air intake (that any air intake will do it not only the SE stage 1 thingie) and a remaping?
What does WOT stand for? What is a fueler? What do you mean by a tuner (is it the same as remaping the EFI and downloading something?)...what is a XIED? lol....
Thanks in advance for your help!
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This is Chinese to me.
I thought that a Stage 1 included changing of exhaust, of air intake (that any air intake will do it not only the SE stage 1 thingie) and a remaping?
What does WOT stand for? What is a fueler? What do you mean by a tuner (is it the same as remaping the EFI and downloading something?)...what is a XIED? lol....
Thanks in advance for your help!
I thought that a Stage 1 included changing of exhaust, of air intake (that any air intake will do it not only the SE stage 1 thingie) and a remaping?
What does WOT stand for? What is a fueler? What do you mean by a tuner (is it the same as remaping the EFI and downloading something?)...what is a XIED? lol....
Thanks in advance for your help!
Most people call a new intake, fuel controller, and exhaust a "stage 1". However even if you just replace the exhaust on your bike you will be subject to running lean. That is where a fuel injection controller comes in. There are many many different kinds, but most of the better ones (tts) allow you (the user/owner of the bike) to tune the fule injection on your own using a lap top and some street riding. This is all the same as "remaping your EFI". The XIED from what I understand of it is a way of hotwiring your EFI to run richer, but it does not take into acount many diffrent veryables that full units like the tts of PCV would. Like WOT (wide open throttle).
Trust me, if you are going to eff with the exhaust, then do something to correct the lean fule issue. And if you dont like throwing good money after bad just get a unit like the TTS and call it a day...
Hope this helps a bit.