A few issues
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I wouldn't worry about the runout unless it vibrated excessively on the stand.
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Paul, when I do my cams I'll check runout but I'm not going to tear the motor open just for that.
I'm sure the shim is the fix but since reading that reply I've been thinking about it. The bike didn't come from the factory with a shim AND didn't vibrate to all hell. So how does adding the TT throw the geometry off and to fix it, you shim the mount?
Logically, just doesn't make sense.
I may hopefully get some time tomorrow (saturday) to experiment on the front mount. Even if I do shim it, the bike is down for painting which again I have to find the time to do.
Here is a question...(which I'll find out soon)
Regarding the Intiminator install they tell you to fill the fork tubes between 4"-5" from the top. Does that work out to more (than stock; 29.6oz) fork oil in the tube? One more issue I need to address. For my style, I think the amsoil 10w syn fork oil (that comes with the Intiminators) may be too heavy.
I'm sure the shim is the fix but since reading that reply I've been thinking about it. The bike didn't come from the factory with a shim AND didn't vibrate to all hell. So how does adding the TT throw the geometry off and to fix it, you shim the mount?
Logically, just doesn't make sense.
I may hopefully get some time tomorrow (saturday) to experiment on the front mount. Even if I do shim it, the bike is down for painting which again I have to find the time to do.
Here is a question...(which I'll find out soon)
Regarding the Intiminator install they tell you to fill the fork tubes between 4"-5" from the top. Does that work out to more (than stock; 29.6oz) fork oil in the tube? One more issue I need to address. For my style, I think the amsoil 10w syn fork oil (that comes with the Intiminators) may be too heavy.
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What a f'n day dude...can't relate to ya on the TT cause I aint got one, but your front end? WTF, I've never seen or heard of results like this after installing them! You say it's super stiff & clunky? Something has got to be off...what springs are ya runnin? Is it lowered? Your a wrench, I'm sure ya got the steering stem nut torqued right!
If I remember, I filled the tubes till it was 5" from the top (like ricor suggests) and I also trimmed the spacer about 1/2" or so to compensate for the ricor.
No, my bike isn't lowered and I'm using stock springs.
...and I have not checked the steering stem nut. Isn't the upgraded torque value like 75-80 ft-lbs (from the clunk bulletin)?
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Paul, when I do my cams I'll check runout but I'm not going to tear the motor open just for that.
I'm sure the shim is the fix but since reading that reply I've been thinking about it. The bike didn't come from the factory with a shim AND didn't vibrate to all hell. So how does adding the TT throw the geometry off and to fix it, you shim the mount?
Logically, just doesn't make sense.
I may hopefully get some time tomorrow (saturday) to experiment on the front mount. Even if I do shim it, the bike is down for painting which again I have to find the time to do.
Here is a question...(which I'll find out soon)
Regarding the Intiminator install they tell you to fill the fork tubes between 4"-5" from the top. Does that work out to more (than stock; 29.6oz) fork oil in the tube? One more issue I need to address. For my style, I think the amsoil 10w syn fork oil (that comes with the Intiminators) may be too heavy.
I'm sure the shim is the fix but since reading that reply I've been thinking about it. The bike didn't come from the factory with a shim AND didn't vibrate to all hell. So how does adding the TT throw the geometry off and to fix it, you shim the mount?
Logically, just doesn't make sense.
I may hopefully get some time tomorrow (saturday) to experiment on the front mount. Even if I do shim it, the bike is down for painting which again I have to find the time to do.
Here is a question...(which I'll find out soon)
Regarding the Intiminator install they tell you to fill the fork tubes between 4"-5" from the top. Does that work out to more (than stock; 29.6oz) fork oil in the tube? One more issue I need to address. For my style, I think the amsoil 10w syn fork oil (that comes with the Intiminators) may be too heavy.
For me, what caused the vibration after TT install was the front of the heim joint contacting the front plate of the TT. The clearance between the front heim joint, bike left side, and the front plate was pretty small, < 1/8".
I noticed first time out, there was, I want to call it the "opposite of a sweet spot" in RPM where the vibration was really noticable. I'm saying vibration but it was more like one of those paint chipping guns. After I shimmed the mount with some 3/16" plate haven't had that problem again.
Anyway, if you decide to shim, you'll need to do the whole motor alignment procedure, top mount too. I had to change the settings on the top mount one full turn to accomodate the shim under the front.
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UPDATE: I did shim the front mount using a washer. To be honest there wasn't much gap. I can't say it worked because my tank is still unfinished. Might get the three pieces painted this week. I have some pro help, but the guy is going to show me how to do it including dent repair.
Also...on the front end clunkiness. I was VERY surprised when I realized what I had done. I took the front end apart and dumped each fork leg out into a measuring cup. On one side, I had ~23oz of amsoil. On the other.............~19oz. I honestly don't know how this happened as I was being super-**** about that when it came to refill the tubes back in december when I swapped my larger-than-normal ricors for the correct size. I was really dumb-founded. The cup doesn't lie.
So....I got fresh fork oil and am going to freshen everything up. I will be 110% dilligent about fluid level. I am second guessing adding the Intiminators. I'm not sure they are a good choice for me and my riding style. I'll give them another go-around with stock H-D type E fluid as I thought the amsoil 10w syn might be a little too heavy for my taste. I may look around for a set of Progressive springs. I had them on my old bike years and years ago and was happy with the performance.
So, I'm fired up.
Also...on the front end clunkiness. I was VERY surprised when I realized what I had done. I took the front end apart and dumped each fork leg out into a measuring cup. On one side, I had ~23oz of amsoil. On the other.............~19oz. I honestly don't know how this happened as I was being super-**** about that when it came to refill the tubes back in december when I swapped my larger-than-normal ricors for the correct size. I was really dumb-founded. The cup doesn't lie.
So....I got fresh fork oil and am going to freshen everything up. I will be 110% dilligent about fluid level. I am second guessing adding the Intiminators. I'm not sure they are a good choice for me and my riding style. I'll give them another go-around with stock H-D type E fluid as I thought the amsoil 10w syn might be a little too heavy for my taste. I may look around for a set of Progressive springs. I had them on my old bike years and years ago and was happy with the performance.
So, I'm fired up.
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I'm confident I'll "git'r dun". Especially now that I have some semblance of a work shop. Wish it wasn't 2miles up the road but I'm not complainin. At least the bike finally stays dry during inclement weather.
Especially now that I have some semblance of a work shop. Wish it wasn't 2miles up the road but I'm not complainin. At least the bike finally stays dry during inclement weather.
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By the way, I measured the depth of the thread of the front isolator + frame + true-track bracket = ~2.5" deep.
On a side note, I was in the vicinity of a Fastenal recently and stopped to buy some button head replacements for the cover that lives underneath the dash. OEM is 12 T-20 torx head bolts. I grabbed a box of button heads...qty:100. Salesman asks "do you have an account?" No...I only need 12 of these. Not 100. "I can't sell you 12. That's not how we do it here." He said it was just a hint of "You're a d!ck" attitude. I may be sometimes but not that day. lol Ok. SO he gives me a price and I agree to buy the box. (Anyone need some??) I then inquire about the size gauge for nuts and bolts. Here is where I wanted to slam the guy in the face. He replies "I usually give those to my account holders, so I'm fresh out." I came back with "...and a walk-in customer just isn't worth your trouble? Last time I'll shop here and I will certainly spread the word to my 1000's of friends online that the Fastenal in Camden, SC Stinks."
I have a feeling it was just that guy and not the attitude of the corporation.
On a side note, I was in the vicinity of a Fastenal recently and stopped to buy some button head replacements for the cover that lives underneath the dash. OEM is 12 T-20 torx head bolts. I grabbed a box of button heads...qty:100. Salesman asks "do you have an account?" No...I only need 12 of these. Not 100. "I can't sell you 12. That's not how we do it here." He said it was just a hint of "You're a d!ck" attitude. I may be sometimes but not that day. lol Ok. SO he gives me a price and I agree to buy the box. (Anyone need some??) I then inquire about the size gauge for nuts and bolts. Here is where I wanted to slam the guy in the face. He replies "I usually give those to my account holders, so I'm fresh out." I came back with "...and a walk-in customer just isn't worth your trouble? Last time I'll shop here and I will certainly spread the word to my 1000's of friends online that the Fastenal in Camden, SC Stinks."
I have a feeling it was just that guy and not the attitude of the corporation.