Ok Im a little confused. Ive got a set of V&H short shots coming and I dont have the extra money for a tuner for a while. Will I need to get my bike flashed from the dealer? Anyone know what that usally cost? Any more info would be helpful. Thanks.

 

The stage one flash is like $150 I think. There are a few people running pipes and ac's with no tuner. I ran with v&h straight shots with no tuner and it was fine, but I didn't do an aftermarket ac yet. You will get some decel pop. I would throw the pipes on and just keep an eye on the classifieds here on the forum till you can find a tuner for a good price. Having O2 sensors on the FI bikes you will be ok.

 

I ran short shots for a little while with out a/c or programmer didnt hurt anything

 

I'm curious about this as well because there doesn't seem to be a clear cut answer. I am also looking at the short shots and they aren't too pricey.

The real money is in the tuners. Will installing the short shot pipes and not installing a tuner harm the motor? I do casual riding and I'm definitely not interested in top performance, its more sound and looks for me.

Any insight would be appreciated.

 

You don't need a flash

 

Ran Samson Street Sweepers on mine without the tuner. No trouble.

 

Was told it could cause it to run a little rich and would not be good long term.

 

A buddy of mine said it could cause the motor to blow white smoke and cause the rings to burn up. I do want to add a good tuner later on.

 

You don't need the dealer stage 1 download and I would even advise against it. You'd be much better off using that $150 to put towards a good tuner like a PC-V (which you could always adjust as you change your bike down the road), or even a used or new V & H fuel pak.

In the meantime, the bike will run fine. Eventually, you'll want to put a more free flowing intake on and get some type of fuel management on there, as it will make the bike run cooler, stronger, and is overall better for the engine and won't make you burn your *** and legs off when you ride.

 

Thanks for the help